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Ulster Bank/First Active Offset mortgages, here's the answer to previous thread!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4 Milacon


    Heard nothing since initial letter but strange activity to my mortgage account, a lodgement of 1,040 to my account from the bank. States it's a PWS payment. Has anyone ant idea what this is or means? Waiting on a call back from bank.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4 Milacon


    No payment yet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭kenif


    Have the bank said you are in arrears? For money to go into your mortgage account and no other payment yet fits the bill.

    I'd ring them. They have been known to make a few mistakes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 691 ✭✭✭wellboy76


    I’ve not got it either. After a week of phone calls I got through and mine is delayed due to “arrears” of 18.50. An overcharge which they have admitted was their error over 3 weeks ago. Even got a letter admitting their error. But because of this I won’t get it till on or before the fifth of February. Shocking stuff really from them. Not as if I have a branch to kick off in either.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4 Milacon


    Yes they are saying we are in arrears. However, we are not and have statements and letters from the bank stating no arrears. We have been getting an arrears letter monthly for the past year. No one can answer the reason and they keep telling me, "not to worry" and ignore letter. Stressful and annoying and now I'm thinking that the payment will be delayed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 691 ✭✭✭wellboy76


    In the same boat so. Let me know if you get it and vice versa



  • Registered Users Posts: 4 Milacon


    Will do. I'm at the end of my tether with it all. The paper trail getting longer and no sign of sorting it out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1 gavIreland


    Has anyone heard from revenue on whether this payment is taxable or not? I've sent them a query but not heard back.

    Opinions from people and the statements from ulsterbank aren't enough if you don't want a surprise tax bill at the end of the year.

    Why can't revenue simply state their position for the majority of cases, ie mortgage on own home, irish resident etc.

    Does paying a finance/tax advisor help if revenue haven't stated their position?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,506 ✭✭✭fliball123


    How can they even start to quantify taxing something that has been calculated out of future figures like future losses, future interest rates and future savings with the greatest respect Nostradamus would find it hard to predict and each case is individual so I cant see revenue interfering as its just way to hard and open to challenge.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭paul321123


    Has anyone redeemed there mortgage since getting the payoff,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭phormium


    Not yet, I've applied for the redemption figure but it hasn't arrived yet. Applied for it day after I got my money!



  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭paul321123


    I was told my redemption figure was what is owed ( I am fully offset so no interest to calculate) plus 38euro redemption fee, I need to look back at statements to see if that is the case, I was not aware of a redemption fee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭WhatsGoingOn2


    Same. Have applied twice and heard nothing back. Will ring them tomorrow.



  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭paul321123


    Just wondering who did you get through to, you need to talk to someone in mortgages not just general enquiry, make sure you talk to someone in offset mortgages,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭phormium


    In theory yes, it should be what's owing however there is always a calculation depending on what time of the month v the repayment date, something to do with allowing for final payment to bounce in case it does, really more relevant to where you'd have a dd coming from an external account and not directly from internal account that obviously has money when fully offset. Either way you get back the excess later when the payment goes through if it's added to redemption figure.

    There was always a 'vacate' fee of a small amount so I presume that is the 38 and I would have been expecting that. They will have to issue an official redemption letter to get it closed off, if one were just to transfer over the balance outstanding to the offset nothing would happen officially.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 539 ✭✭✭coffee to go


    Slightly off-topic, but have people got an annual statement and annual interest certs for the UB offset mortgage - I have quarterly ones, but no handy end of year ones to use for the 2023 Interest Relief from Revenue.

    Anyone know if these are being sent out automatically as a matter of courtesy (looks like BOI are: https://personalbanking.bankofireland.com/borrow/mortgages/mortgage-interest-relief-2024/)

    Or do we need to request them?

    Thanks in advance.



  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭paul321123


    If you need one I would request one, by the end of May all you accounts with Ulster Bank will be no more so you will not have access to them, I would imagine they would have to send out final statements but to be on the safe side just request one, print off anything you need before they close your account.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,183 ✭✭✭rameire


    Interest certs go out every year for all of their mortgages, I usually get mine in February.

    The statements for the offset are always quarterly, they don't do an annual mortgage statement, it's only the interest cert that is for the full year.

    🌞 3.8kwp, 🌞 Split 2.28S, 1.52E. 🌞 Clonee, Dub.🌞



  • Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭kenif


    One of your quarterly statements contain your statement of interest. For the 2 years you need to you should still have them on the app. If not certainly on Anytime.ie.... I was looking at mine recently.



  • Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭kenif


    Yeah just checked, not on app but web page goes back 7 years.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭aoraki


    Similar story here. Sent in an online request and rang them up 3 weeks ago. Still waiting for a call back. I’ve been thinking about it since and I may not redeem, might try the “pay and redraw”angle for a while to see how it works. But still have a couple more months to decide.



  • Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭kenif


    I'd like to know where these mortgages are going before offsetting ends... That would help me decide one way or another.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭Abel Magwitch


    I would hope they will go to AIB/BoI/PTSB. Since everyone got the letter about the accounts closing in May it seems the sale is already done and dusted so I presume we will find out 90 days before May 23 who the buyer is, if not sooner



  • Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭kenif


    Accounts are closing as offsetting is ending. That's not to say Ulster Bank won't be left with the mortgage part for a while longer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 691 ✭✭✭wellboy76


    Until I receive my goodwill payment they better not close anything



  • Registered Users Posts: 6 Dfair3108


    Has anyone moved monies into their account to prove they can offset more than UB had accounted for in Dec'23 & therefore getting a larger "goodwill gesture"?



  • Registered Users Posts: 44 Avdel


    Hi new to this post. I have a tracker mortgage thats now with AIB. I was originally with First Active moved to Ulster Bank now AIB. Im not familiar with the drawdown facility. Was this available with all tracker mort??



  • Registered Users Posts: 6 Dfair3108


    hi @Avdel I'm not sure if the drawdown facility was available for tracker mortgages. I think this thread relates to the UB Offset mortgages (which had a current account linked to them and reduced your interest based on on your savings). A very high level overview :) Hope that helps... maybe other threads re the tracker mortgage specifically have info if the drawdown was available



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭phormium


    No it wasn't, it only relates to Offset Mortgages which are different to a standard mortgage, they were on a tracker rate but are not the same as an ordinary tracker mortgage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40 shanoh


    Anyone get an update about when the mortgages will be sold on?

    The current accounts are being closed in May but if mortgage not sold until next year that's a lot of time I'll be paying interest due to not offsetting...



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  • Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭kenif


    I'm not sure what difference it makes when they'll be sold. Offsetting is ending in May and won't be back. Whoever takes on these Mortgages will be doing so without offsetting being available.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40 shanoh


    Yep but you'll still be able to offset indirectly by lodging money into the mortgage account as long as you don't trigger redemption. Apparently... Which is what I want to do. And I'd prefer my current and mortgage accounts be with the same bank for convenience



  • Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭kenif


    Your best organising that with Ulster Bank now(if you can). And make sure they reduce your repayments out over the term. It would be convenient to have current n mortgage in same place but really it's money transfers either way.

    But yeah still a lot of unanswered questions which makes decisions harder. I'd love to know for sure if there's any tax implications. And if what you do with the ex-gratia affects that. Is it income if just left in the bank, or if as you perhaps intend, lodge it into the mortgage is it capital, or neither?

    I'd like to redeem my mortgage before offsetting ends, but if I do.... Then I don't have the money for the guys in revenue.



  • Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭aoraki


    Yeah, nothing stopping you for lodging that money to your mortgage account and getting Ulster Bank to recalculate the repayments. I did that myself recently, it just takes a phone call. But it takes about 10 working days for them to actually execute the transaction (but it’s backdated).

    You can withdraw the money again but only up to your available facility balance, which reduces every year.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21 paneur


    Anyone have any real life experience of using the " pay and withdraw "??. Info from ulsterbank is very vague. Can't find much online or in the terms and conditions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭McSween


    Im still trying to get my payment out of the account. I sent the paperwork weeks ago



  • Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭aoraki


    @McSween It’s taking them weeks to do what you would think should only take a couple of days at most. I rang them up mid Feb to transfer the Good Will Payment I was given into my mortgage account and recalculate the monthly repayment. They told me it could take up to 10 days. Over a month later it still hasn’t been done.

    @paneur I was talking to them about the pay and redraw. It’s basically you lodging a payment against your mortgage that you can withdraw again later easily enough (you just need to send them a letter and ensure that you have a life assurance policy assigned to the mortgage). You don’t have to go through any loan approval process apart from that. However if what you lodge covers the full mortgage it’s an automatic redemption. Also you have to make sure that you are mindful of the way the facility attached to the mortgage reduces every year. You can’t withdraw more that the available facility. It’s nowhere near as flexible as the offset arrangement was and you can’t offset fully.

    But I’m going to give it a go for a while and see how it goes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21 paneur




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭McSween


    I got the Ireland based qfa rep to transfer it to my no on UB bank account. He processed it. It went through on Friday. (I dont have a card so i cant do it using a card reader)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3 Mmar1234


    I rang the mortgage number to ask for the redemption letter. The person I was talking to said that the mortgage is staying with Ulster bank. They still don't have anyone to take them over. So looks like mortgage terms staying the same. I think I won't pay it off now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,506 ✭✭✭fliball123


    You do realise you cannot offset anything and you will be paying the ECB rate + what ever you got on your morgage



  • Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭aoraki


    Interesting, I was told something similar, albeit under a different context. I thought the whole point of this exercise was to allow Ulster Bank to exit the market. Although if they are sticking around they won’t have the offsetting feature to deal with.

    Regarding the point that fliball123 made, you can still use the pay and redraw feature which admittedly is not as good as the offsetting feature but can still be used to reduce your interest exposure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,183 ✭✭✭rameire


    Ulster Bank are leaving the market.

    The Offset mortgage is just taking time to go.

    🌞 3.8kwp, 🌞 Split 2.28S, 1.52E. 🌞 Clonee, Dub.🌞



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,419 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Absolutely, how orderly it will be remains to be seen.



  • Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭aoraki


    Will be interesting alright to see how long it takes them and if there will be any further obstacles in their way



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  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭paul321123


    Just wondering has anyone cleared their mortgage after receiving the payment and if so have you received your deeds of your house yet



  • Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭kenif


    No but they say 5-6 weeks by registered post after redemption. The rate at which they are doing everything else I'd be adding a bit onto that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭McSween


    i owe 128000 and have 129000 in the current account. What do i have to do to minimise my interest. Withdraw current account money (129000) and let them close it? Then put back in less than what i owe, thus paying minimal interest? So if i owed 125000, put 123000 in against it and pay interest on 2000?



  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭paul321123


    I redeemed mine in January and was told 4weeks which I taught was a bit too quick so did not expect it, I rang them up a couple of weeks back and was then told 3months would be the earliest from the time it was redeemed so it is coming up to that soon, I just taught if anyone else had similar news regarding this,



  • Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭kenif


    No you have to reduce your Mortgage. And get them to reduce your repayments over the term. It means paying down(giving them the money in the current account) but you can the redraw it if you need it again.

    But only way to reduce interest after 23rd of May is to reduce your mortgage.



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