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Just saw it now myself. Looks like they aimed right under the SSM launch tubes, which would explain the catastrophic damage. Those missiles are designed to take out ships much larger than the Tarantul class herself, which is on the small side even for a corvette. If even one of them was set off by a USV, that should be enough to set off the second missile on the same side of the ship as well.

Sure, some of it may be, but I don't see a NATO invasion of Russia on the cards because of that.

Russian MI8 helicopter crashed in Syria

Naval ship sunk

Fighter jet downed

EU Funding agreed

Carlsberg don't do February's...

Now hurry up and show me footage of these new glide bombs Ukraine.

They are already working on a submersed version, but you can bet the likes of the Chinese looking very closely at these attacks, the Americans were already working on armed drone vessels for harbour and coastal patrols,I get the feeling that advisers in Ukraine were more than a helping hand in the design and construction of these new toys ,

I've been thinking that myself, but presumably they'll come up with anti-drone technology and equipment pretty quickly. When there's billions of hardware, jobs and investment on the line, you can be sure the boffins will be put to work

That was a big explosion that finished it off. Hopefully it was full of AA missiles and missiles destined for Ukraine. Kill 2 birds with one stone.

It's true according Ukrinform Ukrainian forces destroy Russia's Ivanovets missile boat (ukrinform.net)

Rotten flour for rotter shells. Seems fair to me.

A win win or should that be lose lose.

Wonder what's happened here!

They are in interesting concept especially the idea you can launch them from a mothership or something like a Chinook helicopter or similar heavy lift aircraft,

But looking at the at the attacks there is already a relatively simple counter using submarine nets onlys extended above the water, I'm surprised they haven't actually implemented any other than near Sevastopol and Kirsch bridge,

I do wonder if Russia decides if we can't sail in the Black sea nobody can and Start targeting cargo shipping using there own weapons,

In God’s name how the h*ll did Hungary -aka ORBAN- become a full member of The EU and NATO . Why ? Because when I see ORBAN I see Putin - who cannot be trusted even one mm, will break any agreement reached that does not suit him , etc, etc, etc. And what is ORBAN’s background re communism, etc,etc.

Believe it or not, the idea with the nets was actually tried in the "classic" battleship age at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century. Look at any picture of a battleship, or even some cruisers from that era, and you'll often see diagonal "strakes" along the hull. Those were booms meant to hold anti-torpedo nets and the idea was that these would be deployed not just at anchor, but when transiting through areas that were susceptible to torpedo boat attack, such as confined bays or narrow straits. The idea was quickly dropped though, as the drag produced by the nets slowed the ships down too much. And battleships at the time weren't exactly speed demons to begin with. Similar issues would be encountered today, with any such nets likely obscuring the field of fire of point-defence weapons, potentially causing infrared and radar interference and massively increasing the radar cross-section. Plus, the nets dragging through the water would probably render any hull-mounted sonars useless.

I think what makes them so deadly in the Black Sea is the environment. It's a confined body of water, there's plenty of land to produce background clutter on radar that a drone operator could use as cover during the initial approach and let's face it, the Russian Black Sea Fleet isn't exactly acting like a top-tier navy. Also, it looks as if Ukraine is trying to maximize their chances by picking off BSF ships as they enter or leave port, in areas where they can't maneuver freely.

Regarding your point with Russia opting for similar attacks, I feel like they think that the mines that they laid are enough for now. Also, they probably don't want to piss of Turkey. If ships suddenly start going boom on the approaches to the Bosporus, the reaction might be exactly the opposite of what Moscow might be hoping for, i.E. an opening of the straits, but for NATO vessels. As it stands, the straits are closed for both sides, which, while not optimal, is at least workable, given that Russia can still use its own internal waterways to get at least smaller units into the area.

They started from a similar place to all the other former Warsaw pact states that joined NATO and the EU, think Orbán was one of the anti communist reformers back then.

I wonder if there's something about former empires though (!), that people in them are a little bit more susceptible to politicians like him, due to a history of "greatness" now lost that can be used to stir up feelings?

However Europe is full of former empires and great powers, especially over a long enough timescale, so doesn't seem like a good reason for Hungary to have been excluded from the EU or NATO.

Orbán seems to have gone bad as he's gotten older.

I think he was voted out for a time (...the people have spoken - the bástards!), but perhaps after that shock, when he got back in again decided he was going to make as sure as possible to fix + corrupt everything he could to cling onto power indefinitely.