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10 -12 billion military aid over 5 years but thanks to Orban it's now going to be reviewed every year

If he got something (like billions more funding released, or even some assurance he is safe from Article 7 and a promise no more funds will be cut) it is depressing. I don't know if leaders are realising the damage they are doing by cowardice, and not facing down these leeches.

The only negative our cautious liberal/democratic leaders like Varadkar etc. seem to consider is the big stink these people will create when they are finally challenged, they don't weigh properly (IMO) the damage done by indulging them again and again, and bowing to blackmail.

Nice to see the EU stepping up there.

Seems Johnson still taking the piss in the US though. Although I don't think the full details of the bill have been released yet.

Bearing in mind that the EU is a complex, multi State collective, organised and governed by a massive body of laws which restrict Member States in how they can act... what is it that you would have the rest of the 'cautious liberal/ democratic' (is that a bad thing??) EU leaders do, that they are allowed to do, under EU law?

A good couple of days for Ukraine with the EU aid package and some impressive hits on Russian military infrastructure. Much more of this needed.

That was insane footage. You don't normally see multiple drones attacking so successfully.

Did it technically blow up or sink! You kinda wish one drone stayed, lying in wait for another ship to arrive to investigate.

If the claim that it's an old video is true (I can't recall seeing footage like that before) it can easily be proven with a link to the old footage.

That's 20% of the black sea fleet destroyed in total, based on tonnage by Ukraine.... Without a navy!

A drone navy! Surface and below? The Atlantic would be a far harsher environment but could be done..

Caution is a good thing usually, not always, maybe not in current circumstances.

Liberal and democratic is always a good thing, unfortunately politicians like this around Europe and survival of their values are are under severe threat from movements like that of Victor Orbán, and from Russia itself of course.

What I would prefer to more concessions to Hungary over Ukraine would be for final stage of Article 7 (I think all the other steps are in place already) to be used by the rest of the Council to remove their voting rights.

If any country or countries back them up and prevent this, I suppose those who want to support Ukraine will have to go outside the current EU structures to fund Ukraine. That is not ideal but better than kowtowing to Orbán yet again (I don't know if they did that).

It's particularly hard to stomach seeing that oaf getting anything for his shystering. I'd support any measures that were designed to prevent the entire spirit of the EU from being torpedoed from within.

The way he likely sees this is he put his country first over and the EU and Ukraine,I think the idea of giving every parliament a discussion and vote on the subject scares the EU , while EU leaders will show a United Front there would be zero guarantee the population of EU states support those views ,

You can make out on the footage small splashs from what must be 'machine gun' fire from the ship.

It looks like the Chinese are threatening the Ukraine to stop Chinese companies from being added to the sponsors of war list