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Abuse of Referees

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    #1022
    greenspurs
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121657278#Comment_121657278

    The GAA didnt report it.... It was reported in the media, and then they 'had' to give a statement?

    They didnt go running to the media saying that the refs failed a fitness test?

    And your point that its just after Xmas ? - thats rubbish, as all ref know that the competitions start in mid jan , so they should be suitably fit to officiate , They hardly think they can rock up in their Xmas pj's and Xmas belly for a fitness test - and if they did, well then they failed .

    Proper order , all refs in all sports have to do fitness tests , "Fail to prepare - Prepare to Fail"

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    #1023
    Gusser09
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    Basketball, NFL,Ice Hockey, AFL even Rugby to an extent have multiple referees involved. Yet in one of the fastest games in the world we are dragging our heels. Hurling needs two physical referees with the linesmen and umpires having more of an input at the very least. It's gone too quick and physical over the last 10 years. Hurling is where the fitness tests really matter. They don't matter a jot in football as the game is played at a near pedestrian level for the best part.



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    #1024
    dxhound2005
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121657736#Comment_121657736

    This is where they should be according to the GAA.

    "There shall be two goal Umpires at each end of the field of play. An Umpire shall stand outside each goalpost and behind the endline. The umpires shall remain at the same end for the duration of the game".

    Were they not standing where they should have been (even one of them)?



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    #1025
    blackbox
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121655518#Comment_121655518

    What do you mean they would have been in serious trouble?

    This attitude exposes the core of the problem. The referees are human and everyone should acknowledge that they can make a mistake.

    The attitude has to change so that the decision of the referee is always accepted. This is how it works in amateur rugby.



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    #1026
    greenspurs
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121658046#Comment_121658046
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QNzWYLLFng

    They were behind the goal...

    Look at the gombeen that went to the white flag... He was standing in the middle behind the goal ffs .......

    Ridiculous ,,,, ...

    Probably the refs cousin/nephew/brother ??

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    #1027
    dxhound2005
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    Thread title should be changed to Abuse of Referees and Umpires.



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    #1028
    greenspurs
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121658509#Comment_121658509

    "Thread title should be changed to Abuse Analysis of Referees and Umpires. "

    ANything/Everything is abuse now ? ............................. 🙄

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    #1029
    dxhound2005
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    A lot of the "analysis" on Sunday was coming from biased sources. If they were in charge there would have been six red cards in the hurling. And they are blessed with superhuman powers, but only when aided by cameras.



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    #1030
    kksaints
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121658544#Comment_121658544

    So you're saying the GAA should bring in video referring like rugby and hockey has?



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    #1031
    evolvingtipperary101
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121658544#Comment_121658544

    Posters name calling then deciding to frame it as analysis... you couldn't make it up.



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    #1032
    Gusser09
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    The Umpires positioning was shocking. That's why they are getting criticised. One of them needs to be looking across the goal. It's a difficult job though in hurling and it's crazy that we haven't given them the technology at this stage to get calls like this right.



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    #1033
    dxhound2005
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121658561#Comment_121658561

    Baby steps like in soccer. Hawkeye has worked well enough for points, but it is not infallible. Goal line technology has worked well in soccer, but it is not infallible.

    Everything depends on camera angles. Goal line technology should be feasible in GAA football, but I don't know about hurling. Would it be possible to build a sensor into such a small ball which gets more force that just being kicked?



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    #1034
    dxhound2005
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    Going off topic, I love VAR in soccer. It puts the officials on a level footing with the studio pundits, who for years used their own versions to abuse the officials. "How could he not have seen that"? After looking at three different freeze frames to show that a player's arm was offside.

    Now the abuse is about "common sense" going out the window, and decisions taking too long. My particular favourite was the goal given to Japan against Spain. All the "common sense" merchants were jumping up and down about that one, because their own eyes were deceived by the speed of the action in real time.

    https://www.goal.com/en/news/fifa-explanation-why-japan-goal-spain-allowed-to-stand-var/blte7932bb07091448a



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    #1035
    kksaints
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121658591#Comment_121658591

    Presume so. Ball tracking is done in cricket so it should be possible.



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    #1036
    greenspurs
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121658575#Comment_121658575

    Name calling??

    Cop on lad. 😏 Would i hurt his feeling calling him a gombeen??

    It was totally ridiculous what he did, was he ever an umpire before !!???

    Just watch him, watch where he ends up, where he is when the ball is over the line... Crazy...

    He goes to raise his arms up when the Thomas's lad stops sliding on the ground, then hops over towards the white flag side ........

    Its nearly soooo bad its comical......

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QNzWYLLFng


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    #1037
    tayto lover
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121658126#Comment_121658126

    What I mean is that we could have been in the same trouble as after last year's football final and the extra man on the field. Or you could have abuse of the officials after the match. We've seen instances before before like after the 2010 Leinster Football Final. The GAA needs to learn from this and maybe do frequent workshops for umpires.



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    #1038
    evolvingtipperary101
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    Secretary of the Munster Council, Ciaran Leddy in his annual report to Convention threw up a very interesting suggestion – how about having female referees?

    “Attracting a sufficient number of referees to manage the ever-expanding programme of club games across the Gaelic Games codes, particularly at juvenile level, remains a major challenge for the Association. Referee development is a central part of the Munster Council Development Plan and we hope to see significant progress in this area in the years ahead….. A key element of our plan will be recruiting and training of female referees and in time we hope to see female referees progress to our Academy and to officiating at our Intercounty games.’



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    #1039
    Realt Dearg Sec
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    Wouldn't want my daughter dealing with the animals I've seen abusing refs in my time as a player.



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    #1040
    Ubbquittious
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    Was it this bad in the 1970s?



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    #1041
    ULEZ23
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    GAA coach who attacked referee ordered by court to keep the peace

    https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2024/0123/1428228-gaa-coach-who-attacked-referee-ordered-by-court-to-keep-the-peace/


    you would have to wonder who knew who for this not to have been reported in the local media(Roscommon herald here) at the time of the court case. These local newspapers would usually write a piece on all trivial court cases but for some reason conveniently missed this one. Which is disappointing as this man is a scumbag for what he did (unprovoked assault causing harm) and I think he got off too lightly and at the least deserved all of his locality to hear the impact on his victim



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    #1042
    tayto lover
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121663320#Comment_121663320

    Amazed with this decision and by the fact that the judge didn't make him pay a sum of money to the injured party for pain and suffering.



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    #1043
    greenspurs
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121663320#Comment_121663320

    Should be shown up and made an example of ..... but ...

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    Realt Dearg Sec
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121663320#Comment_121663320

    Ah yes but does he come from a good family?



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    #1045
    evolvingtipperary101
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    The fitness tests for inter-county referees are no longer fit for purpose, according to three-time All-Ireland hurling final referee Fergal Horgan

    This weekend sees the opening round of the Allianz Football League, with the GAA insisting this week that there would be no referee shortage after it was reported that 13 inter-county football referees failed to pass new pre-season fitness tests which were conducted at the Irish Sport Campus.

    Only 19 of the 42 inter-county referees succeeded in passing the tests, with 10 more unable to perform the tests for various reasons. The remaining 21 will, however, be able to do stand-by and sideline officiating.

    The association has said it "will reflect on the testing process" in the coming days.

    Horgan, who oversaw the 2017, 2020 and 2021 All-Ireland hurling deciders but retired as an inter-county referee last year due to a "lack of appointments" in recent seasons says change is required regarding the tests themselves.

    "It was disappointing to see so many failed," he said ."I think that the test they are using at the moment is not right for refereeing. It's only a 13-minute test, 13 to 15 minutes.

    "A game is nearly 80 minutes now so I think we should be using a different test. But we have looked for that on several occasions and it has been turned down."

    Technicalities of the testing system have already been discussed by inter-county referees, and those that failed last week will soon be entitled to retake the tests if they choose.

    Maurice Deegan, also a three-time All-Ireland final referee, retired in 2022 but is in agreement that the current testing system is not best practice.

    "We need to restructure the way we do our fitness tests," he said. "Whether it's over a period of time leading into Christmas, and then obviously have another test after Christmas, but doing a fitness test a week before the first round of the league is not the way to go."



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    #1046
    greenspurs
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121668119#Comment_121668119

    Sounds like they are still doing the "Cooper Test " ?

    I think you have to cover 2700m in 12mins? for your 'long run' .

    You have 2 sprints also ? and 2 200m runs also .... certain amount of time to complete them.

    The Long run is tight enough, You would have to be fit, and have trained to do it ! You would expect Inter county refs to be able to do it!!

    While most teams would now be using the Beep test ...?

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    #1047
    evolvingtipperary101
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    Story in the Indo, with former referee Rory Hickey. He says the fitness test is “outdated” and could lead to officials becoming an “endangered species”



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    #1048
    greenspurs
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121669885#Comment_121669885

    Endangered species??


    Because the fitness test in outdated ? allegedly ....

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    #1049
    rpurfield
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    The fitness test is a bleep test and the level they go to is 16.8. To be fair now its probably as far removed from replicating reffing a game you could get. It definitely needs updating.



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    #1050
    evolvingtipperary101
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    Seven of the 36 inter-county hurling referees did not pass last night’s pre-Allianz Hurling League fitness test in Dublin.

    Ahead of the start of the competition next Saturday, the game’s leading match officials underwent the beep/yo-yo test in the GAA’s national games development centre in Abbotstown.

    While slightly higher than usual and some referees were injured or unavailable to attend, the failure rate is not considered to be large and won’t put much pressure on the referees appointments committee in filling positions for the 17 matches next weekend. Those who did not pass the test can deputise as linesmen/stand-by referees.

    Like the 13 football referees who failed their test last Friday week, it is expected there will be an opportunity to retest next month after the first two rounds of the league.

    To be eligible to take charge of league matches, those who failed the test and not in attendance last night must attain the 16.8 rate.

    After only 19 of the 42 national inter-county football referees passed their tests (almost a dozen didn’t attend), a meeting took place with GAA officials on Thursday where the application of the exam was discussed among other issues. That followed a lengthy meeting among referees last Saturday morning after which some had to be persuaded from withdrawing their services.

    The suitability and timing of the test has come in for heavy criticism from former inter-county referees such as Irish Examiner columnist Brian Gavin, Fergal Horgan, Maurice Deegan and Rory Hickey.



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    #1051
    dxhound2005
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    RTE is reporting that discussion have been held in the GAA about having a TMO (Television Match Official) for some games. It would be for a future Congress to vote on. This year's Congress will vote on whether Yellow Cards should carry into extra time. I can't see any argument against that.

    https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0127/1428971-motion-alter-rules-around-cards-will-go-congress/



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