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And a list of recent fires, particularly in or near refineries or similar oil / gas operations,

I presume it was they weren't sure it would work, if Ukraine noticed it they might of thought they might collapse the tunnel and kill 150 instead of 500 troops in 1 go. More they should of been fast to get more troops in if it was a success. But maybe drones stop it as they could of been thinking Ukraine would notice more troops in that sector or something? Still sadly it was a smart move on Russia that seemed to have worked out for them, smart isn't usually something you say with Russian military tactics in this war but in this case it was a risk but paid off for them.

Imagine if they did send 500 through the tunnels ,100-150 eliminated 500 killed or injured now multiply that number several times over with a larger force running amok inside Ukrainian lines , what ever the plan for the Russians was it seem to have worked they breached the Ukrainian lines and have gained another foothold inside of adviika

Probably too late for that but since I'm not getting a reply to my request for any reputable source for this claimed confirmation that some tunnel had allowed putin's troops take up new positions the latest update I could find simply refers to claims the moskovytes are said to be using the tactic of digging tunnels under positions of the Ukrainian armed forces in the houses to the south of the city and packing them with explosives so they can increase the area of rubble just as is happening across Ukraine from their use of artillery. The article can't confirm the pro putin bloggers claims and an independent analysis group on the war describes movement in the area as "marginal tactical advances during intensified offensive efforts"

Do we actually know if any significant number of putin's troops moved through a tunnel to a new position in the Adiivka area?

Russia needs to take a page out of the Hamas book and start living underground, lol.

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I think the that the sewer story may indeed have happened. My own assumption and that is an assumption mind you, is that this avdiivka salient which is in the process of collapsing at the moment as you can see at the tight neck:

Is potentially explained by the sewer story.

Now after that what we have is our local sewer pipe style poster @Gatling claiming that somehow Ukraine lost what? Over a platoon? Half a brigades worth of soldiers in a single move somehow? Based on nothing more than, from what I can see, one twitter post and one video where some Ukrainians can be heard saying "200" and "300".

And again I could be wrong here, I'll always caveat but there's a few things that I think make that extremely unlikely:

• I just don't see the Ukranian army being so incompetent as to have 2-300 frontline soldiers in one area of the map that could be encircled by a single underground tunnel move. And nothing on the Deepstate map shows said encirclement so far.
• Losing 300 soldiers in a single attack would be hitting more mainstream levels of news. So far we have one twitter video confirmed? Which doesn't actually confirm anything like this. There was mention of more trusted twitter accounts earlier but when I asked these were not provided.
• UAF operational silence has been good at obfuscating their losses so far but I just don't see over a platoon of soldiers being wiped in an afternoon as being possible to sweep under the rug. At this point you're approaching Azovstal Steel plant siege levels of encirclement.
• The "300" and "200" comment is more easily explained by Soviet codes for casualties. I'm sure Ukraine did lose people as they do every day on the lines.

Then of course since then we've had a few fantastical pie in the sky scenarios about somehow Russia catching hundreds of Ukranians in the same building and killing them all.

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Is it possible? Yes. But i'll wait for more than a few seconds of a conversation in a video and the word of a few internet contrarians before I believe it the next Azovstal steel plant scenario just occured.

And solves the ever-increasing problem of having to replace them.

People don't generally dismiss bad news, but when posters quote a tweet and say (without any evidence in the tweet) that 300 Ukrainians were KIA and 200 wounded, it's not too much to ask for some source for the claim of the figures. Figures that high should be backed up by some/source.

Same poster is very quick to question other people sources.

I'm not sure I'd say it's ironic. It's very easy to make fantastical claims with little evidence. So I refrain from doing that where possible. I come to this thread for news updates. But it's very grating when the thread is being scuttered by certain posters who only seem to post bad news and do so with the bare minimum of evidence or none at all. While at the same time childishly sniping at others who do the same but with good news. Blind to their own hypocrisy.

However I'm not unbiased and anyone reading any of my posts where I make any claims should not take my words at face value. In fact I'd encourage the opposite.

I understand well enough. Ukraine are waging a war on all our behalf where the very idea of democracy and fairness globally is on the line. I'm not exaggerating when I say that I won't be rushing to bring any kids into this world if Ukraine is simply left to die slowly. Either through incompetence, greed or apathy. So I'm happy to admit my bias. As I'm sure others are. So when I see good news I hope that it's true and wait for more confirmation.

So when I see others that consistently post only bad news I have to question their motives. Do they want Russia to win? Are they just edgy contrarians who don't care and internet clout is the best thing going in their lives? In any case there's a simple fact to be known. Russia lies. A lot. About everything. The same can't be said to the same degree about Ukranian sources. So any good news for Russia has to be filtered through that lens in my opinion.

And in any case if you ever feel like seeing the scale of Russian losses and you have a strong stomach, head on over to the combat footage reddit. I'll reiterate it's not for the faint of heart. It's not completely possible to verify each and every combat kill Ukraine claims(and perhaps it never will be) but there isn't a day that goes by where new footage of scores of Russian soldiers being drone grenaded or columns of armor being shredded by javelins, mines and artillery doesn't show up. So I'd well believe Ukraines numbers are close enough. Sooner than I'd believe anything from the Kremlin anyway.

But sure don't take my word for it. I'm just an internet pleb.

I assume you mean that Russia is a carcass ?

Why are you calling him ted? Is this some kind of father ted reference?

For some reason I expect them to rock up to the UN demanding food aid,