Has anyone air accident investigation requested access to the site ???
I think Ukrainian sources have rolled back on the idea it flew from Iran seems like a social media account tried to make two separate aircraft into the one that was shot down to fit the narrative,
Putin himself has doubled down on the claim something he's not really done for previous shoot downs ,
It's a bit of an odd one because both sides have come out with multiple claims and counter claims
Just came across this on Twitter (or X if you prefer) it shows an IL76 being boarded / loaded, and Russia claims this was the plane that got shot down being loaded with the POW's. There was another story as well, and it is well worth considering in my opinion. The IL76 flew from Iran loaded with weapons for Russia, landed in Belgorod, offloaded, and then took off again, away from Ukraine.
Here is a copy of a post you made about this tunnel recently:
"Imagine if they did send 500 through the tunnels ,100-150 eliminated 500 killed or injured now multiply that number several times over with a larger force running amok inside Ukrainian lines , what ever the plan for the Russians was it seem to have worked they breached the Ukrainian lines and have gained another foothold inside of adviika"
Zero evidence for the hundred plus of eliminated and five hundreds injured now as you claim and a suggestion that it was feasible to send hundreds of putin's troops through a sewer to give them *another foothold inside..."
If you read the article as I suggested the statement from the mayor was quoted as saying "the maximum that it could be is some kind of recon group. And no more,” They mention that the moskovytes that did infiltrate the lines have been counter attacked by Ukrainian forces and positions retaken and moskovyte units were still being hunted down in a forest park area. The infiltrating troops have been detected and while I never said there were no casualties you seem to be the only one putting an exact figure on them and providing no evidence for the figures you seem to be grasping out of some pro putin bloggers back side.
It does work, just not so well in the cold. They made a lot of headway de-mining agricultural lands doing this, however, it's not fool proof and still requires a physical sweep.
That was a suggestion in theory it might work,
They can use heat sensitive cameras to detect them. They absorb heat during the day and are easy to detect at night.
And yet the article said that the lines were breached,the mayor of adviika said the lines were breached, the only difference between yesterdays post this one , the other there was casualties and this article has zero Mention of any casualties whatsoever ,,
Enemy breached defences undetected there was casualties
Indeed some posters can be very abrasive, their way or the highway etc.
But look at poor old Solovyov here, all on his ownio and garbed in a winter jacket. What a difference a year makes.. At his rate of decline, it can't be too much longer.
Why would I define that when I did not say anything about success?
Read the article I posted. It makes a much more reasonable description of what might have happened than anything I have seen from yourself on the news of a tunnel being used in the area.
It's been a regular topic for the last two years the collapse and it's started but the Russians are still going strong,but there seems to be a slightly growing situation from some food shortages and heating systems going kaput but it's likely a mix of sanctions and lack of qualified people left to man maintenance crews ,and agricultural sectors ,
But other than that and Ukraine weapons hitting Russia proper we all still waiting for the collapse to actually start
What is the real situation in the Russian economy now? I see a lot of news talking about collapse and the Ruble imploding. But is that actually the reality? Hard to get genuine news on things because western media obviously wants to talk up ideas of collapse. To be clear I hope it's true but I've been hearing of Russia's economic collapse for over a year and it hasn't happened yet.
Define wasn't as successful as claimed,
Considering they broke through Ukrainian lines undetected
that's would be considered successful in any military action, that would be top of your list in any conflict to breach enemy lines undetected, there was no mention of damage to fortifications anywhere yesterday,
But would Ukraine come out and say the Russians breached to there lines no they absolutely would not just as the Russians would not say the Ukrainians breached their lines undetected
Another report from Adiivka claiming the tunneling moskovytes were not as effective at breaking the defensive lines of the armed forces of Ukraine as some have said:
"The Russian tunnelers according to the TV report surfaced well short of Ukrainian fortifications, which were intact..."
Yeah, mines are going to be a problem once the war is over. I doubt the Russians keep accurate charts.
Handy way to set up anti-tank mines, though. Those things are heavy to carry around.
God I hope they keep accurate charts of where these mines are being placed. I just bristle at the thought of the things being used and no ody keeps track; you look at the likes of Cambodia for a terrible example of mines lingering and causing civilians terror for decades to come.
Taking a leaf out of the IRA and Hollywood playlist,
And They could easily increase the size of the car to carry bigger and more powerful munitions
Ingenious
@Paddigol I'd say the majority of his posts are pro-Ukrainian
The multiples of thousands of my posts are all pro Ukraine going back over a decade not a few posts here and there on a thread every few weeks/months
Russians freezing
We want Proof, we want peer-reviewed cited, multi agency investigatied evidence all the while posting tweets and legging it for 6 months and coming back with the same we demand evidence, same accounts others Just new accounts same people,
But yet there posts and evidence is tweets that cannot be questioned ever .......
It's a war Russians are dying and Ukrainians are dying in the hundreds of thousands, random boardies we want evidence evidence of the exact numbers of the numbers dead or it's false information knowing that Ukraine doesn't release its figures but they are dying in their tens of thousands,
Again, as a fellow internet pleb, appreciate the very reasoned reply. I'm the exact same - just come here for updates and hope them to be positive.
I'd disagree about the poster you reference. From reading the thread over the past few weeks I'd say the majority of his posts are pro-Ukrainian/ laughing at Russian incompetence. Maybe there's some historic bad-feeling going back to the early days of the thread, but he's one of the few posters to attempt to engage in discussion on various issues of the day. From my perspective, most of the scutter on the thread is from posters whose only contributions (again, not speaking about you here) are to act as pseudo forum moderators, throwing out personalised digs while they're at it. Just press the ignore button.
I see posts here based from media sources that compliment or are negative about one side or the other that I give more or less credibility to based on my own judgement, but if a claim is particularly specific and no source or a very dodgy looking media source is given, or a source is given that looks to be completely misinterpreted, as the reason for the claim then I see no harm asking if the original poster has any better source to give credibility to what are their claims. If they reply and say they have nothing else to prove or disprove their claims that is fair enough but to persistently ignore anyone who asks for something to explain claims that are labeled as confirmed or other phrases to give them credibility is just rude in my opinion and characterises that poster as someone who should simply be ignored in future as I have done in the case of one particular regular poster on this thread at times before.
Maybe go back and look at the tweet in question and see if there's anything a miss with what the tweet said and what the poster said. Blatant lies should always be called out.
Most people have the decency to admit when they are wrong.
Another unknown saboteur or just coincidence?
https://news.err.ee/1609234275/estlink-2-estonia-finland-electricity-cable-suffers-outage
Over the past number of weeks I've seen that poster link loads of Ukraine-positive stories/ tweets/ updates etc. with some of his own commentary. I don't recall anyone pulling him up on those, suggesting that they were his claims (as opposed to just repeating what was in the tweet/ link etc) and drilling down into the evidence, demanding sources etc.
We keep getting the Ukrainian updates of destroyed enemy equipment, kills etc. I clearly remember almost every Western expert acknowledging earlier in the war that these were no doubt inflated, to be taken with a pinch of salt etc. (albeit, confirming that yes, the Russians were suffering very heavy losses). Nobody - literally nobody on here - takes issue with the continued posting of the Ukrainian updates as fact. Nobody says "you better have sources for those 976 kills yesterday".
For some reason I expect them to rock up to the UN demanding food aid,
And meanwhile, back home in Russia,,, the next battlefield?
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