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UK fund snaps up 85% of Dublin 17 housing estate originally aimed at individual buyers

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,559 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    That is your sister, she does not speak for the whole of Ireland.

    Everyone I know has rented at some stage in their life and a few still rent. I have friends and family who live in Europe, one couple in Berlin and buying a house to them seems alien. They rent an apartment, have kids etc. In Berlin for instance they have little playgrounds all over the place and green areas for barbecues/meeting up with friends etc. They love it and a house as far as they are concerned is the last thing they would buy



  • Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    Yeah but in Ireland renting is called dead money and treated differently. I think at this stage of my life I have no hope left in this country and its emigrate or live in misery. This country has nothing to offer someone like me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,559 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Honestly my parents are the only ones I have heard using the term dead money, it's a phrase which is dying out now.

    If you want to move, that is your choice. I always recommend people to travel. I would check which country you are moving to first



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,881 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Further down the link it stated all the houses in the deal were now four beds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,320 ✭✭✭phonypony


    I would be interested to know if you have ever sought a mortgage approval. And, if you have, have you put an offer on a property, or ever even viewed a property for sale?

    Judging by your comments in your numerous threads, your two jobs gross you €58K (working that out based on your €42k primary job and your net pay from your second job, so I'm assuming you are tax compliant in your weekend job) and, as of 5 months ago, you claimed to have saved more than €20k. That would at least put you in the running for a home that would sell at €252k. There are many of these suitable for a single person in the Dublin area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,559 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    That's been done to death on multiple other threads. Fact is the person could buy an apartment but is unwilling to based on the information provided.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,320 ✭✭✭phonypony


    Yeah, I don't know why I get sucked in, I just find it astonishing!



  • Registered Users Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Gussoe


    You should stop listening to your sister, she sounds like a complete idiot.

    Renting can also be Freedom. You're not tied down with a mortgage + interest hanging over your head. You have the freedom to move to anywhere you want.

    Home ownership, not so much.



  • Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus



    No never, as 20k is not enough for a deposit and my second job (which is taxable) and my work commission is not counted towards a mortgage, only the basic 40k from my main job I make is. I met with AIB and a broker and both confirmed this. Meaning I can only get 180k with the 20k saved and it would need to be a 2 bed I find for that price as 1 beds require a 20% deposit and 40,000.

    If I was able to get 200k from a bank Id be able to make it work in a undesirable area but Ive no option with what i have now, Im in horrible suffering and Id give anything for it to stop but Ive not any options short of years more of saving and that means years of being looked down on as a shameful dead money in the meantime



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,320 ✭✭✭phonypony


    I think you're in quite an enviable position for many to be honest. You're only 30ish, making decent money with a good capacity to save, you're renting and living in a place on your own. What's another few years of saving towards a deposit and investing in yourself to get a higher salary?

    Sometimes you just have to accept the way things are, get the head down and get on with it.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    Your meant to buy in your early to mid 20s after leaving college. Both siblings had theirs by 26 and only 1 of them rented at all and that was in Australia. Renting has me called dead money, its the most horrible thing ever said to me and makes me feel totally inferior. I cant spend more years as dead money and living at home is even worse. So I think moving abroad is the best bet, as I said cousins renting overseas dont get called dead money. I could rent, get on with things, even do a job I like instead of needing to fit the white collar career, and not need to worry about being shamed. When people visit home from living abroad its always that they are great and doing well, if they rent never comes into it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,320 ✭✭✭phonypony


    On what planet does the sentence 'you're meant to buy in your early to mid 20s after leaving college' ring true?

    Try and logically approach this whole situation, without the inclusion of the term 'dead money', without comparing yourself unfavourably to others and without thinking or caring about how you believe other people view you and see how you get on. Otherwise, nothing is going to change for you, you'll just have more threads closed, another account banned and you'll be back here in 2 months with more of the same.



  • Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    Im the youngest by 12 years, everyone in my family owned or had a council house by 26. Aunts, parents siblings etc

    If I approached it from the place of ignoring dead money comments and not caring what others think I would not even try to buy a place as I like where I live a lot more than Id like to live over an hour from work in a dodgy part of West Dublin (which is my best case scenario with my budget) and just use my eventual inheritance to buy a holiday home or something in cash I can retire to.

    But thats unfortunately not allowed in Ireland as our social status and worth is tied to home ownership and renters are dead money hence my mental state as a result



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,320 ✭✭✭phonypony


    Ah yes, the inheritance money. How about not spending that on a holiday home?

    You've just said you're happy where you are, renting. So continue to rent, then when you are approaching retirement, put that inheritance money plus the great amount you will have saved by then to good use and buy your house.

    Problem solved.



  • Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    But I cant continue to rent in Ireland, its shameful to rent as people call it dead money.

    Im thinking the best soultion is to move to Canada on the 2 year visa, nobody is expected to own a home straight away so no more stigma and pressure and my cousins in Canada are never called dead money

    If I wasnt viewed as dead money Id have zero issues at all with my current set up, but I cant live with being dead money as its made me feel like the lowest form of life



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,347 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Lad, you've started about five threads and hundreds of posts over the past six months about your situation. You've gotten great advice from people here regarding saving more, buying a smaller house further from Dublin and you've rejected it all.

    Seems you just have unrealistic expectations. There's nothing anyone here can tell you that you haven't been told before.



  • Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    You could say what Im hoping for. Renting is fine and doesnt make you a failure. Its ok to rent long term and in the future renters wont be made homeless in retirement as we will move to a European system. That renting has downward baggage on a person worth



  • Registered Users Posts: 535 ✭✭✭Scipri0


    3 or 4 bedroom doesn't make a difference when the end result is the same in that a investment just hoovered up a whole estate and is now renting it back at ridiculous prices, the government also left a convenient loophole in that bulk buying Apartments they didn't have to pay much stamp duty compared to if it was all houses.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,559 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Again I point out the majority of houses and apartment are sold to people, home ownership rates are increasing.

    Plus people want rentals



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,881 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Did you read the link or just interested in spreading disinformation?

    First they were apartments, then they were 3 and 4 beds, now they've been 'hoovered up'.

    They were released in Dec 22, they managed to sell 3 to private buyers, 4 to the council, and 1 to a private fund. The deal with the investment fund was completed a year later in Dec 23 at not far off what they were selling for originally.

    They are now on the market, the market will decide whether the rents are ridiculous or not, not you or me, and the market will also decide whether the investment was worth the risk, that's entirely on the fund.

    At the end of the day there are more houses come to market, and the only solution to demand is more supply, not 'imagined' affordable supply or affordable rental, just supply. When there's enough supply, demand and cost both fall, there is no such thing as low cost occurring at the same time as high demand, despite what SF would have you believe.



  • Registered Users Posts: 535 ✭✭✭Scipri0


    I did read it yes. It's not me whose spreading misinformation, do i look like the government to you?

    They are now on the market, the market will decide whether the rents are ridiculous or not, not you or me, and the market will also decide whether the investment was worth the risk, that's entirely on the fund.

    They'll probably rent some back to the council people, around €3000 in rent!? Could've bought these or even the council, I rather people owned these instead of being tapped by investment funds looking to extract wealth. I have a problem with these funds because what they're doing is not right and people can't compete with the money these guys bring to the table.

    The Irish government is selling the people and the country out for their own benefit. No point building expensive houses/apartments if hardly anyone here can afford them apart from tech workers who move here and helps to contribute to rising rents in the locality. See the loophole with the Stamp Duty when it comes to apartments and houses? it doesn't apply to apartments and i don't believe the government didn't think of this before. People need affordable places to live, whether that's renting or buying, we don't need these parasites who are buying up our country at knockdown prices, low/no tax and renting it back to us and all with FFG blessing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,260 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    Let me guess, someone tile home apartments are a bad investment in Ireland ...should buy a house ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,697 ✭✭✭dasdog


    After the article was pulled quite rightly for implying Occu were an investment firm behind this it appears it was Deutsche Bank. That's fine if they want to take the risk and don't exactly have a good recent track record but if the council are guaranteeing rental income that's a different conversation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,105 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    On no level should we be encouraging private bulk purchases for or of social housing and guaranteeing rents. Its financial madness frankly of tax payer money. But its typical of this late stage capitalism where risk is thrown around and agility. But its a cover for socialising private risk.

    If we've learnt nothing from the billions upon billions per year squandered of public finances we need to start controlling the supply chain. Many business are coping on to this now. Sensible procurement practice.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    That would require effort, those in the local councils in particular, are lazy as hell. Realistically, housing needs to be removed from them, they are too incompetent and lazy...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,105 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Manifestly it's a national issue requiring national response.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,986 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    I live in West Dublin, I don't find it dodgy. It's actually not dodgy at all where I am. It's nice, lots of rivers, streams, forests, parks. I'm not an hour from anywhere in city centre which I believe is where you work. And even if I was, an hour door to door is not bad.

    I didn't have a house at 26 straight out of college, I rented in shares for years then bought and moved in just before my 30th birthday. I moved out of my shared rental property the day I moved into my house.

    Should I feel shame and embarrassment, or did I ever, no, I think I did well.

    My sister is single and owns a small apartment in north Kildare. Looking to buy a house now with a garden but she's struggling for funds so is saving hard.

    My brother moved to Roscommon to buy the big house he wanted, couldn't buy it in Dublin.

    Do you realise how silly your mental blocks to everything suggested sounds to people? Stop feeling sorry for yourself, stop talking to your sister, or at least stop listening to her, save and buy or rent something somewhere.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,360 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    This whole situation is really disillusioning.

    Continual government inaction on housing issues shows how much contempt politicians have for the average Irish person and sadly with our 2 leading parties being in coalition with each other it means there is no incentive for either party to have a revolutionary policy on housing as they can retain power without changing a thing. It was a really dreadful thing for Irish politics , democracy and the country as a whole when FF and FG went into coalition with each other.

    The housing problem could have been fixed years ago if the government saw that the private market doesn't achieve optimal results for the country when it comes to housing and that housing needed to be considered infrastructure an this could be handled directly by the government building thousands and thousand of houses themselves for sale and rent to people by essentially setting up a national house building agency/company.

    In general I get the feeling that political parties in Ireland are very content to never really fix any issues that impact the country so that the majority of the population become completely disillusioned with politics and don't vote so only the hard core of support for each party votes giving job security to all the politicians in the country.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    I do rent somewhere. Thats what Im ashamed of. It would take me years and years of saving to buy in West Dublin or anywhere really. Id need to guts of 50k in savings to buy in West Dublin, currently even saving for a 2 or 3 years Id be stuck way out in the sticks in somewhere like Navan or Drogheda. I would view Im not willing to live further than Swords. The whole point of buying is to be viewed as a human and not dead money but If Im too far away for family to visit and treat me as human than whats the point



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 921 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    Should we not all be celebrating that new rental units are being added to the market? I thought the big problem was not enough rental units and that the Government was not doing enough to ensure rental supply.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    Will you please, please just give it a rest. How many accounts have you spouted this nonsense under now? You must be heading for another siteban shortly.

    Nobody cares. Literally nobody other than your family, who seem to be as weirdly obsessed with owning property as you are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    If renting wasnt a source of major social disgust, why was the eviction ban overturned and why does the government have no scheme to pay rent for lifelong renters in retirement. Allowing old people or those who never missed a payment of working age to be evicted is treated them as less than human and is a crime against humanity. But they are renters so home owners see them as dead money and not worthy of human rights. If renting was secure for life and socially accepted the housing crisis would be solved.



  • Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    No because the people living in these places will have to live in shame as renters, we need public housing and private purchase housing. Irish people hate private renters



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,986 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs




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    TBF, you invited him to reply by quoting his post.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    I didnt come up with it, I rented fine at 21 and was happy. Moved back from London at 24 and my sister made it clear I had to buy because renting is just dead money.That was 2017 and Ive had severe mental illness and depression ever since because Im nothing but dead money



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    I'd agree only for your getting ridin sideways for rent.



  • Registered Users Posts: 361 ✭✭Cheddar Bob


    This idea that we need to accept worse than what the previous generation could expect is a rather strange one and is probably unprecedented in history.


    CT era sh1tboxes, and the ones being built now, are fine and dandy for house shares and young couples moving in together to discover whether they're actually suited to 50 more years together.


    But generally speaking, a front and back garden and a driveway for your car are pretty basic requirements that any Irish person born since the 30s has rightly come to expect as the basics of modern living, and to hell with how they did it in Germany.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Won't someone please give me a house with front and back gardens, and a driveway for my car, in the area I want to live. Not only do I expect it, I deserve it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,105 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Generally love how often we get to compare a flattened Europe with swades of destroyed cities which got to start from scratch with billions of reconstruction money. To a medieval city with a broke island.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,881 ✭✭✭standardg60


    The difference is the previous generation didn't expect anything, they were happy with what they got.



  • Registered Users Posts: 361 ✭✭Cheddar Bob


    You deserve to have the option to acquire one at an affordable rate, be that rented or purchase.


    With just 4000 new houses started in Dublin last year the prospect of acquiring one instead of a flat diminishes by the week.


    Irish people quite rightly don't want to live in a flat for the rest of their lives if they are raising kids. Why should they?


    And lest we forget even most council flats were themselves mini elevated houses, no comparison to the dumps going up today where your kitchen is also your living room.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You think you deserve a house with two gardens and a drive for your car, where you want, for the price you want to pay, by virtue of the fact you are young and employed?

    Did you believe as a kid, that you deserved every toy you wanted? That is not the way life works in the grown ups world. There aren’t enough houses with two gardens and a drive for everyone who wants one, even those who may most deserve them, and I wouldn’t put entitled young people at the top of that particular queue.

    You seem to want the State to provide you with the opportunity to get what you think you deserve, you are s**t out of luck kid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,881 ✭✭✭standardg60


    No you shouldn't, we live in a democracy where the price of houses is determined by what working people are willing to pay for them.

    You're spouting the same nonsense as SF, that somehow 'ordinary' working people should have a separate tier of 'affordable' housing to buy.

    How does that work? How do you separate ordinary working people from any other working person? What would be the magic criteria? Earnings? Should one citizen have priority over another because they didn't study/work harder?



  • Registered Users Posts: 361 ✭✭Cheddar Bob


    And yet prior to 2021 this was exactly what was on offer to....well maybe not single buyers after the late 90s but certainly to any working couple.


    Prior to the late 90s- by the fact a one income family could usually buy a home, and if they couldn't an affordable one would be provided by the council.


    2000s- everyone could get one, albeit via bonkers lending rules.


    Prior to 2021- 3 bed semis were still available at reasonably affordable rates across most of north and west Dublin, starting at 160k for ex council, beginning at 220k for private build 3 bed semis.



  • Registered Users Posts: 361 ✭✭Cheddar Bob


    Snobbery would seperate people.


    Just like so many people are too proud to claim HAP, plenty of people would sooner rent than resort to the indignity of buying a gaudy affordable home.


    It's like how some people wouldn't buy a 3 bed semi in Blanchardstown because that's where people get shot in restaurants but they would pay 100k more for a tiny 2 up up 2 down in Stoneybatter.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,270 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    You want everyone to have a semi-D house with a garden who wants it you are going to have to start "Logan's Run"ning large swathes of the population.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 361 ✭✭Cheddar Bob


    You seem to forget that 4 short years ago the idea of large swathes of the population raising families in rented apartments being the new model for Irish households would be regarded as ludicrous.


    Not 3 decades ago. Not in 2009.


    In early 2020.


    There were somewhere less than 4000 houses started in 2023 that will go on general sale.


    4000.


    Not long ago some individual postcodes in Dublin would have had more than that many houses in the pipeline.



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