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Dublin ranked as second worst city in the world for traveling by car

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,933 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    But availing of the taxsaver scheme, that single mode ticket can come down to EUR 552.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,365 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    There will be certain roadways that are bus lanes only, under the BusConnects project.

    Bus lanes have existed in Ireland since the 80s. There is nothing new to see with bus lanes being introduced.

    The majority of bus routes are still shared lanes and I do not see this changing significantly.

    I have no problem personally with roads being closed off to cars. so buses can use them exclusivley, but my point its that we will never see this happen across the majority of the road network.

    I dont know if anyone has stats, but what percentage of bus route road space in Dublin is exclusive to buses...



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,485 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Agree completely, the whole Tax Saver scheme isn't fit for purpose and should be scrapped. The 2 eur and 1 eur fares for younger folks for 90 minutes of travel has been a game changer and has made public transport look much more attractive to many people.

    I can't wait for tap to pay support, will make public transport even easier to use.

    I also love the orbital routes like the N4 and 24/7 routes.

    BusConnects is in relatively early stages and it has already delivered significant improvements. Hopefully a lot more to come as they start working on the infrastructure side, camera enforcement, etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,433 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Maybe the motorists who insist on driving through the city with four empty seats for short journeys that could be done on foot or by bike, and for longer journeys that could be done by public transport are absolutely to blame for the congestion?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,062 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Population of Dublin County is increasing about 18,000 a year (Greater Dublin Area is increasing also) and we can't make the roads any wider, so the only solution in the medium term is walking, cycling and buses.

    If they start planning and design of another Metro line once the first one starts construction, then we could in a best case scenario have two Metro lines in 15 years. That's definitely possible. This would take a huge amount of cars and buses off the roads.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,062 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    I think a €365 annual ticket for all modes would be a good promotion once Busconnects is close to completion.

    They can have Georgia Salpa riding a bus in her bikini maybe and Bernard O'Shea chasing after her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,062 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    I think the O Orbital route will be very handy once it starts. The southside orbital routes have just launched recently. I'd like to see the data on them.

    The tap to pay should have been done years ago. It's simple technology.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,381 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    the contributing factor to reducing road deaths over what time scale? deaths started to decline around 1980, a couple of decades before we got started on our motorway network.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,951 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


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    Another reason why traffic is mental in Dublin is the likes of this.

    Asshole delivering lampposts at 8.20am blocking traffic right down onto the quays.

    Insult to injury is that this building site has taken a whole lane if traffic around the corner on Tara St and turned it into a delivery area for goods and materials.

    The problem isn't cars. It's design, planning and assholes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,365 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Interesting.

    Metro is still 10yrs plus away though.

    We are at capacity already on the Green Line?

    That will be a major problem, once all the new builds in Cherrywood, Sandyford, Stilorgan and Leopardstown etc come on stream.

    Lots of those homes are completing this year.



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,485 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    It sort of is and isn't. TII have various capacity improvements which they claim can handle the likes of Cherrywood, etc. but wouldn't be enough to allow extension to Bray.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,062 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    I agree but Metro could start construction in 2025. Could be completed in 7 years.

    But that won't increase capacity on Green line as planning permission wasn't possible on upgrade but I think they'll try again in a few years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,365 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Would be interesting to see the loading on the Green Line now.

    It is obviously jammed at peak hours but outside of that, it is normally busy but ok.

    Hopefully they will start running the Luas late on weekends soon, that would be a huge boost for the night time economy, given the lack of taxis in the city centre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,933 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    We are nowhere near being “at capacity” on the Green Line - it hasn’t returned to pre-Covid levels of overcrowding.

    The introduction of the longer trams during Covid has made a big difference in that regard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,433 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Is there a lack of taxis these days? Family members have gotten taxis on Freenow within a few minutes, including over the busy Xmas period.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,433 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Unplanned and unmanaged blockages by construction vehicles is a large and persistent problem. They will block footpaths, cycle lanes, bus lanes, traffic lanes for as long as they choose, often pumping out diesel fumes for the duration, and Gardai will ignore them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 968 ✭✭✭angel eyes 2012


    I have stated this several times, not everyone can avail of public transport for a million reasons, most importantly for medical reasons. Their car is like a lifeline for them while trying to live a full a life as possible with a chronic condition.

    Unless the commuters - with obviously nothing better to do but count how many passengers are in each car - are vegans and do not travel by air, they are in no position to judge motorists or dictate to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,433 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Not everyone can avail of a car for a million reasons, medical reasons, disability reasons, financial reasons, environmental reasons, access to parking reasons - yet we've designed our cities solely to suit private car owners for decades, up to perhaps five years ago. Public transport is a lifeline for many people trying to live as full a life as possible.

    This isn't about judging, it's about facts. If you're going to insist on travelling round carrying four empty seats with you all day, it's entirely reasonable that your journey should get lower priority than those who take public transport or sustainable travel options.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,365 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Peak times it must be over capacity as people cant get on it.

    But yes, outside of those hours there is certainly space. Lots of new homes going live along the route this year though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,365 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,566 ✭✭✭SeanW


    I see the usual suspects are out with their usual anti-motorist tirades. For the benefit of those who have never been to Dublin, or who act as though they have no idea what's going on there, I was at the coalface of what passes for public transport in Dublin for the best part of a decade.

    Even in the best case scenario, e.g. where you live close to a Luas, DART or Commuter railway station, PT in Dublin is overcrowded like hell at peak times (to basically sardine can levels) and not all that fast. And that's in the best case scenario.

    The fact is that just crapping on people for driving instead of using public transport makes no sense given how poor the latter is - even when totally or largely separate from the roads like the railways are.

    At an absolute minimum, Dublin now needs everything that is currently planned plus a full metro from Donabate to Bray via Swords, the Airport and the City Centre. Also needed would be the DART Underground and an extensive expansion of the Luas *within* the M50. Also maybe a few hundred thousand new apartment units at sane rent costs.

    Then - and only then - would it make sense to start blaming motorists for causing congestion etc. Any claim to the contrary really requires the suspension of disbelief.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,074 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    If public transport is "not all that fast" what on earth are cars?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭Danny healy ray


    dublin is a shot hole end of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,111 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    And what are we doing ? Still kicking the one bit of a line we planned years ago, back down the road into the future again…. We’ll probably never see the thing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,062 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    I'm over 90% certain it'll happen.

    It's on schedule and budgeted for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,062 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Driving is much faster than PT so I don't blame people for driving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,062 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Dublin's got a lot of positives, but certainly it has problems it needs to solve.

    One big positive to Dublin is that it has a great, youthful energy. Many cities don't have that.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,074 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    There are multiple journeys that are not well served by public transport and can lead to convoluted transfers that end up in much longer distances travelled. Some work is being done to improve this with e.g. the orbital bus routes.

    But for the most part this is laughably untrue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,062 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Door to door, driving beats public transport in Dublin for almost every journey.

    Cycling is fastest though.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,074 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Off-peak maybe, depending on how long you have to spend finding parking. In rush hour there is not a hope.



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