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UK fund snaps up 85% of Dublin 17 housing estate originally aimed at individual buyers

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,430 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Did you read the link or just interested in spreading disinformation?

    First they were apartments, then they were 3 and 4 beds, now they've been 'hoovered up'.

    They were released in Dec 22, they managed to sell 3 to private buyers, 4 to the council, and 1 to a private fund. The deal with the investment fund was completed a year later in Dec 23 at not far off what they were selling for originally.

    They are now on the market, the market will decide whether the rents are ridiculous or not, not you or me, and the market will also decide whether the investment was worth the risk, that's entirely on the fund.

    At the end of the day there are more houses come to market, and the only solution to demand is more supply, not 'imagined' affordable supply or affordable rental, just supply. When there's enough supply, demand and cost both fall, there is no such thing as low cost occurring at the same time as high demand, despite what SF would have you believe.



  • Registered Users Posts: 535 ✭✭✭Scipri0


    I did read it yes. It's not me whose spreading misinformation, do i look like the government to you?

    They are now on the market, the market will decide whether the rents are ridiculous or not, not you or me, and the market will also decide whether the investment was worth the risk, that's entirely on the fund.

    They'll probably rent some back to the council people, around €3000 in rent!? Could've bought these or even the council, I rather people owned these instead of being tapped by investment funds looking to extract wealth. I have a problem with these funds because what they're doing is not right and people can't compete with the money these guys bring to the table.

    The Irish government is selling the people and the country out for their own benefit. No point building expensive houses/apartments if hardly anyone here can afford them apart from tech workers who move here and helps to contribute to rising rents in the locality. See the loophole with the Stamp Duty when it comes to apartments and houses? it doesn't apply to apartments and i don't believe the government didn't think of this before. People need affordable places to live, whether that's renting or buying, we don't need these parasites who are buying up our country at knockdown prices, low/no tax and renting it back to us and all with FFG blessing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    Let me guess, someone tile home apartments are a bad investment in Ireland ...should buy a house ...



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭dasdog


    After the article was pulled quite rightly for implying Occu were an investment firm behind this it appears it was Deutsche Bank. That's fine if they want to take the risk and don't exactly have a good recent track record but if the council are guaranteeing rental income that's a different conversation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,790 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    On no level should we be encouraging private bulk purchases for or of social housing and guaranteeing rents. Its financial madness frankly of tax payer money. But its typical of this late stage capitalism where risk is thrown around and agility. But its a cover for socialising private risk.

    If we've learnt nothing from the billions upon billions per year squandered of public finances we need to start controlling the supply chain. Many business are coping on to this now. Sensible procurement practice.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,849 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    That would require effort, those in the local councils in particular, are lazy as hell. Realistically, housing needs to be removed from them, they are too incompetent and lazy...



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,790 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Manifestly it's a national issue requiring national response.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,568 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    I live in West Dublin, I don't find it dodgy. It's actually not dodgy at all where I am. It's nice, lots of rivers, streams, forests, parks. I'm not an hour from anywhere in city centre which I believe is where you work. And even if I was, an hour door to door is not bad.

    I didn't have a house at 26 straight out of college, I rented in shares for years then bought and moved in just before my 30th birthday. I moved out of my shared rental property the day I moved into my house.

    Should I feel shame and embarrassment, or did I ever, no, I think I did well.

    My sister is single and owns a small apartment in north Kildare. Looking to buy a house now with a garden but she's struggling for funds so is saving hard.

    My brother moved to Roscommon to buy the big house he wanted, couldn't buy it in Dublin.

    Do you realise how silly your mental blocks to everything suggested sounds to people? Stop feeling sorry for yourself, stop talking to your sister, or at least stop listening to her, save and buy or rent something somewhere.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    This whole situation is really disillusioning.

    Continual government inaction on housing issues shows how much contempt politicians have for the average Irish person and sadly with our 2 leading parties being in coalition with each other it means there is no incentive for either party to have a revolutionary policy on housing as they can retain power without changing a thing. It was a really dreadful thing for Irish politics , democracy and the country as a whole when FF and FG went into coalition with each other.

    The housing problem could have been fixed years ago if the government saw that the private market doesn't achieve optimal results for the country when it comes to housing and that housing needed to be considered infrastructure an this could be handled directly by the government building thousands and thousand of houses themselves for sale and rent to people by essentially setting up a national house building agency/company.

    In general I get the feeling that political parties in Ireland are very content to never really fix any issues that impact the country so that the majority of the population become completely disillusioned with politics and don't vote so only the hard core of support for each party votes giving job security to all the politicians in the country.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    I do rent somewhere. Thats what Im ashamed of. It would take me years and years of saving to buy in West Dublin or anywhere really. Id need to guts of 50k in savings to buy in West Dublin, currently even saving for a 2 or 3 years Id be stuck way out in the sticks in somewhere like Navan or Drogheda. I would view Im not willing to live further than Swords. The whole point of buying is to be viewed as a human and not dead money but If Im too far away for family to visit and treat me as human than whats the point



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  • Registered Users Posts: 870 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    Should we not all be celebrating that new rental units are being added to the market? I thought the big problem was not enough rental units and that the Government was not doing enough to ensure rental supply.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,495 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    Will you please, please just give it a rest. How many accounts have you spouted this nonsense under now? You must be heading for another siteban shortly.

    Nobody cares. Literally nobody other than your family, who seem to be as weirdly obsessed with owning property as you are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    If renting wasnt a source of major social disgust, why was the eviction ban overturned and why does the government have no scheme to pay rent for lifelong renters in retirement. Allowing old people or those who never missed a payment of working age to be evicted is treated them as less than human and is a crime against humanity. But they are renters so home owners see them as dead money and not worthy of human rights. If renting was secure for life and socially accepted the housing crisis would be solved.



  • Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    No because the people living in these places will have to live in shame as renters, we need public housing and private purchase housing. Irish people hate private renters



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,568 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs




  • Registered Users Posts: 14,204 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    TBF, you invited him to reply by quoting his post.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    I didnt come up with it, I rented fine at 21 and was happy. Moved back from London at 24 and my sister made it clear I had to buy because renting is just dead money.That was 2017 and Ive had severe mental illness and depression ever since because Im nothing but dead money



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    I'd agree only for your getting ridin sideways for rent.



  • Registered Users Posts: 361 ✭✭Cheddar Bob


    This idea that we need to accept worse than what the previous generation could expect is a rather strange one and is probably unprecedented in history.


    CT era sh1tboxes, and the ones being built now, are fine and dandy for house shares and young couples moving in together to discover whether they're actually suited to 50 more years together.


    But generally speaking, a front and back garden and a driveway for your car are pretty basic requirements that any Irish person born since the 30s has rightly come to expect as the basics of modern living, and to hell with how they did it in Germany.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,204 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    Won't someone please give me a house with front and back gardens, and a driveway for my car, in the area I want to live. Not only do I expect it, I deserve it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,790 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Generally love how often we get to compare a flattened Europe with swades of destroyed cities which got to start from scratch with billions of reconstruction money. To a medieval city with a broke island.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,430 ✭✭✭standardg60


    The difference is the previous generation didn't expect anything, they were happy with what they got.



  • Registered Users Posts: 361 ✭✭Cheddar Bob


    You deserve to have the option to acquire one at an affordable rate, be that rented or purchase.


    With just 4000 new houses started in Dublin last year the prospect of acquiring one instead of a flat diminishes by the week.


    Irish people quite rightly don't want to live in a flat for the rest of their lives if they are raising kids. Why should they?


    And lest we forget even most council flats were themselves mini elevated houses, no comparison to the dumps going up today where your kitchen is also your living room.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,204 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    You think you deserve a house with two gardens and a drive for your car, where you want, for the price you want to pay, by virtue of the fact you are young and employed?

    Did you believe as a kid, that you deserved every toy you wanted? That is not the way life works in the grown ups world. There aren’t enough houses with two gardens and a drive for everyone who wants one, even those who may most deserve them, and I wouldn’t put entitled young people at the top of that particular queue.

    You seem to want the State to provide you with the opportunity to get what you think you deserve, you are s**t out of luck kid.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,430 ✭✭✭standardg60


    No you shouldn't, we live in a democracy where the price of houses is determined by what working people are willing to pay for them.

    You're spouting the same nonsense as SF, that somehow 'ordinary' working people should have a separate tier of 'affordable' housing to buy.

    How does that work? How do you separate ordinary working people from any other working person? What would be the magic criteria? Earnings? Should one citizen have priority over another because they didn't study/work harder?



  • Registered Users Posts: 361 ✭✭Cheddar Bob


    And yet prior to 2021 this was exactly what was on offer to....well maybe not single buyers after the late 90s but certainly to any working couple.


    Prior to the late 90s- by the fact a one income family could usually buy a home, and if they couldn't an affordable one would be provided by the council.


    2000s- everyone could get one, albeit via bonkers lending rules.


    Prior to 2021- 3 bed semis were still available at reasonably affordable rates across most of north and west Dublin, starting at 160k for ex council, beginning at 220k for private build 3 bed semis.



  • Registered Users Posts: 361 ✭✭Cheddar Bob


    Snobbery would seperate people.


    Just like so many people are too proud to claim HAP, plenty of people would sooner rent than resort to the indignity of buying a gaudy affordable home.


    It's like how some people wouldn't buy a 3 bed semi in Blanchardstown because that's where people get shot in restaurants but they would pay 100k more for a tiny 2 up up 2 down in Stoneybatter.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,798 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    You want everyone to have a semi-D house with a garden who wants it you are going to have to start "Logan's Run"ning large swathes of the population.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 361 ✭✭Cheddar Bob


    You seem to forget that 4 short years ago the idea of large swathes of the population raising families in rented apartments being the new model for Irish households would be regarded as ludicrous.


    Not 3 decades ago. Not in 2009.


    In early 2020.


    There were somewhere less than 4000 houses started in 2023 that will go on general sale.


    4000.


    Not long ago some individual postcodes in Dublin would have had more than that many houses in the pipeline.



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