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Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    It's a sad day when a Leinster team playing in the RDS shows so little cutting edge. The attack, which wasn't looking outstanding to begin with, seems to have regressed since Nienaber came in. Ulster just had to man up. They weren't being asked to make any decisions in defence. It was very heavy on the worst elements of South African rugby from Leinster; just big upright runners trying to bulldoze forward. And I didn't get any sense at all that Leinster could score or make big busts from 50 or 60m out. They're just not looking like a dangerous attacking team.

    The defence is what it is. It obviously can be a double edged sword. Hopefully by the time it really matters the backs can be more in tune and can scramble to cover kicks - or the opposition just don't get the bounce. It's not ideal for a team in Leinster's position that they can't rotate in some back three players without it becoming such an issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,279 ✭✭✭✭The Iron Giant




  • Administrators Posts: 56,538 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    the fact that the RDS redevelopment doesn’t include a roof for the north and south stands is a bit of a joke really. Maybe the extra money that came in can be used toward them.

    A temporary roof like the one over the side of the grandstand would be perfect and massively improve the place.

    i get that you’re only tenants but the facilities at the RDS really are quite poor for a club of Leinsters stature.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,851 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I assume it would just make it more complicated to remove it for the horse show.

    The Anglesea desperately needs replacing, but outside of that I quite like the large amount of space available around the ground



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,369 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Don't have any major concerns about Leinster just yet. The opposition are exploiting the hard up defence, but Nienaber has only coached five matches so far. That's nowhere near enough time to bed in a defensive structure, especially when players are still only in the opening stages of their return to provincial rugby.

    It'll take months longer to nail down what we're trying to achieve. Leinster's style of play hasn't really changed since 2019. Layers had been added to it over the years, but the core was the same. It'll take a while to change.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,740 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Munster spent big bucks redeveloping their two home grounds over the years. Arguably it didn't work out very well. Focusing on paying for the players and not the stadium is wise I think



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,428 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Can't compare the two. Timing of thomond is what killed munster more than anything else.

    Leinster do need to redevelop rds and rds need the redevelopment for the horse show and other events they host as well....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Disagree here. Ross has credit with the coaching but he's had error strewn matches too. The mistakes HB made were poor, no doubt. I think he's going to start in the Investec. Let's see how he goes. He's not the problem, the clueless defense is problematic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Leinsters attacking is blunt. They've shown nothing. Who's that on?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    It looks to me as if there was more SA influence on the attack in the games against Munster and Ulster anyway. Admittedly the conditions limited what was possible, but I wonder how much the attack will be just Goodman or will Nienaber ultimately have a big say there too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,279 ✭✭✭✭The Iron Giant


    What high-profile games has Harry had that have put him on par with Ross? He's a good player but he's not a great player - not yet anyway.

    Ross Byrne has been in the URC Team of the Year the last two years for good reason, he's damn good (but of course he could be better too). The credit with the coaching ticket is all that matters and whilst I agree that he has had errors, he's largely been remarkably consistent in his game and has performed in clutch moments for both club and country.

    There's little doubt that Harry will start the Champions Cup alright but that's simply because those behind him are too green or aren't seen as out and out 10s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    There's nothing wrong with Ross. I like him. But he's reached his apex, imo. Harry has been good this year. Everyone will focus on his mistakes, which this week were poor but, he's still not reached his top level, imo. I reckon he can get into the international squad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Anyone missing Stu? Anyone?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    There's no panic yet. But seriously, we should all be concerned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,628 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    the weather has been absolutely shite, hard to judge much with that. JGP has been on a poor run of form since last season, in green and blue. Not helping things at all. Add to that our 2 best centres in Osbourne and Ngatai are out for who knows how long, it's a unfortunate confluence of timing. Wouldn't mind seeing Frawley at 12, with Ringrose going forward. Henshaw looks well off the pace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭jonok28


    Leinster even though they are a team competing on all fronts for silverware, like it or not, are a team in transition.

    Nienaber has come in during the season meaning that the team haven't had a chance to bed in his philosophy over the course of an off-season.

    The attack the past few weeks has been poor mainly because they have been playing in torrential conditions and you are never going to play champagne rugby in them conditions.

    The internationals coming back from the World cup who don't look up to scratch like Furlong, Conan, VDF, JGP, Lowe and Henshaw have been in wars the past 12+ months. Two years of titanic battles against La Rochelle. 6 nations campaign, New Zealand Tour and competing in domestic and European competitions and the World cup and then after a few weeks break, right back into the season. They are probably not performing at an elite level for self preservation.

    We will know what Leinster are really going to look like properly next season.

    Nienaber will fully be able to introduce his philosophy, a new attacking coach will be brought in who will be able to introduce new tactics and game plans, players like RG Snyman and whoever they use the other NIQ designations on will only strengthen the team. Players who have been through the wars will get somewhat of a rest after a tough year.

    Leinster will be a different animal next year. They will have the firepower in the forwards and backs. The coaching staff will be bedded in properly and the exhausted internationals will hopefully get a break.



  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm not sure Lowe, Furlong and Henshaw have played all that much rugby in the last few years when compared with both other Irish internationals and foreign counterparts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭jonok28


    With Furlong and Henshaw they have been dealing with several injuries. With Lowe he has played alot of the big games as well as carrying the occasional knock.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,325 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    And let's not forget lowe has been battling rheumatoid arthritis for years now. That will certainly take a toll on him physically and lead to requiring extra rest



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,222 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    My understanding is it is under control, cause if itwasnt ther would be no way he could play any form of rugby , great positive story given all he has achieved, having had such a debilatently illness.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭conquestscarer


    Always been a huge fan of Henshaw but I do think there is a fair argument to be made that he has been our 4th best 12 across the last 12 months(Frawley, Ngatai, Osborne ahead of him). I know he's been a key player but surely at some point, we have to pick the form players at 12 for the big games and I think that might mean replacing Henshaw until his performances improve.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    About half the league season over and some lads have stepped up and others have fallen down, imo.

    Rising, Clarkson, Boyle, McCarthy, Connors.

    Fallen down the standards, Ringrose, Park, JOB.

    It's fascinating to watch. For me, Deegan has been immense. Probably our best player so far, imo. Will he stay? Another lad who's consistently superb is Penny. Massive workrate and always puts it on the line.

    Time will tell how good this team will be. They've only lost twice, so they're still a premier team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Must love hardship


    Leinster are top of the URC table after 9 rounds.

    And in the champions cup they are top of their table after beating last years champions away and the team who was top of the English premiership. Leinster have the same points as the other 3 proviences combined.

    This is despite supplying 18 players to Irelands World cup squad. Losing the club captain and main coach since last year and 2 of their coaches coaching at the World cup too.

    Leinster have given caps to 6 or 7 new players this season all ready.

    Some people here must be looking for perfection.

    I think Leinster are in a great place and agree they can improve a number of aspects of their game and looking forward to when they click at the business end of the season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    There's no doubt Leinster are in a good place. But surely it's obvious that this side is not playing well?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Must love hardship


    Did you s

    Did you see the weather for the last 2 games?

    They are never going to play like the Harlem Gloobetrotters.

    They are not beating every team by 30 points like the last few years and maybe that will be a positive at the end of the year..??

    It will take a few months for the new system to bed in.. maybe enjoy the close games in the meantime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,534 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    I wouldn’t write off any players who have come back from the World Cup just yet. They’ll be looking to start to peak in about a month and many will have to keep up that level of performance for another 5 months for the European and URC knockouts and summer tour to SA. It’s a long season and it’s not feasible for them to peak through the whole year.

    How many of the WC 23 have gone notably well across the provinces this season? I’d suggest Sheehan, McCarthy, Beirne and Baird have been very good and Crowley has continued to develop. All had minimal minutes in France aside from Beirne. Few others have had a few decent performances but don’t think anyone is at the top of their game.

    Let’s see where they’re at in a months time. Might find it easy to settle back into familiar Irish gameplan albeit without Sexton calling the shots. From a Leinster point of view, expect them to improve defensively once they work out Nienabers system and offensively when the weather improves and they have consistency of selection in back line and at 10.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭jonok28


    Clarkson has taken a noticeable leap but is it enough to not replace Ala'alatoa? I would lean towards we would still very much need a replacement in that area.

    I just noticed that Trevor Nyakane has just left Racing 92 yesterday after his contract has finished.

    I'd expect him to take a short term deal in Japan and maybe come to Leinster next season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa




  • Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ringrose, i think, said at the weekend that the bad weather helped leinster. I can’t find it now to make sure that’s what he said but 99% sure.

    I would agree with that sentiment. The obvious weakness right now is defense against width. That’s harder on drier pitches in nice weather. I’d agree its something they’ll work out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,830 ✭✭✭degsie


    Any talk about 'cheap' tickets being released for the upcoming Stade game in the Aviva?



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