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Charging.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,910 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    You can call it whatever you like. I'm still not paying "robbing bastards" (your words) for something I am well able to do, which was to replace like for like. If there was going to be a problem, it would have been with the charge point itself, as I made no change to the circuit. I take a different view when modifying, or adding a new circuit from the CU, but for a like for like swap, you can frown all you want...I refuse to be extorted no matter what the regs say I can or cannot do. I don't think it's a fair price to charge €600+ for 2 hours work, including travel time. Maybe i'm an outlier on that one.

    From the HSA website...

     “Like for like” replacements of switches, sockets, lighting fittings and/or additions to an existing circuit is frequently carried out in this country. While this must also be in compliance with the Technical Rules, these types of electrical works sit outside the Defined Scope of Controlled Works or Restricted Works.

    An EV charge point is a glorified outdoor socket.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    I agree. It should be more like 100-150 to replace an existing ev charge point.

    It's not a glorified socket though, it's an appliance and one unlike any other in domestic installations. Not doing adequate safety checks can have serious consequences.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    Just to add, you say if there was a problem it would be with the charge point itself, first of all that's not necessarily true. A trained eye and testing of the existing circuit and other rcd's in the board may reveal problems.

    Secondly that's exactly the point I was making, you don't have the equipment needed to test Ev charge points, so how would you know if there was a problem with the new one?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,910 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    I'd have happily paid that for the replacement of the old unit.

    I get what you're saying, but it really is just a glorified socket. Sure, the smart ones have a few fancy functions, but the job of the charge point is to supply power to the vehicle. Beyond doing that, it just uses signal comms between it and the car. It's no different than what a granny charger does, albeit at a greater output.

    The existing board and board had been checked weeks before I replaced the old unit, because I was looking at getting solar and a new charge point. An old family friend (RECI) looked over my setup and gave it a thumbs up except that I needed bonding done, so I later had everything bonded and an earth rod installed.

    Not every electrician has the specialist equipment to check EV chargers. When my first one was installed in 2017, a multi-meter is all that was used. I needed a priority switch installed for the electric shower. Perhaps that's changed since then on a regulatory level, but the basics of a chage point haven't. If the circuit is good, replace like for like. Kill and lock out the power. Test for dead. Swap out units. Check connections are correct and tight. Check switches (if any) are correctly set on the pcb. Double check your work. With unit installed, turn power on. Visually inspect. Check with MM if you have one. I went with Hypervolt because I knew they tested every unit before shipping. My situation was straight forward, so I was very comfortable doing the swap. I'd have liked to add an isolator to the circuit, but that was a modification and so I left it.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    Well at least you did the upgrades required, which not everyone would do.

    The equipment required to test charge points is mandatory now. It simulates faults to ensure proper function and isn't that expensive, about 2k including a multifunction tester.

    Are you happy with the Hypervolt? It's a lovely looking unit. What put me off getting one was that I had to order from the Uk.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,910 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    The hypervolt is a great unit. Looks neat and discreet and is a solid build. They have a newer unit now which is even better from a build and installation pov. When I had a query, they were very responsive and informed me about a delay start setting which is a default setting, but confused the car when first plugging in. It was causing an issue for the Leaf, but once I changed the setting, it was grand.

    Ordering from UK wa no issue. I asked for zero VAT invoice and paid via link. Delivery was quick and I wasn't hit with additional charges. I recently upgraded from the 5m cable to a 7.5m cable. Again, easy DIY job and no problem ordering via hypervolt.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,309 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    Yes that's the main downside, cables are in the hundreds so you wouldn't want to lose too many. No real downside to tethered unless the look annoys you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,005 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    You've used the granny cable for 4 years. You are moving house soon. Why bother make any changes now? Just wait until you get the new house and get a proper charge point installed. Unfortunately the subsidy for this will drop from €600 to €300 January 1st.

    If you are going to be renting the house, obviously talk to your landlord first. You might be able to do some deal with them about costs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 239 ✭✭tikka16751


    Green Party are winners alright.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    Nice, can it be used if you've no wifi? How do you change settings if the wifi is down?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,910 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    I haven't touched the settings since soon after install, with the exception of changing the colour of the lights for Halloween. Charger works perfectly fine without Wi-Fi, as I use the car timer to start the charge rather than the CP. If my Wi-Fi was down and I needed to change a setting, I could always just hotspot from a phone.

    I don't use the APP, but it has all the functionality of the best. I just looked at it now and the home screen has changed to show whether the charge is coming from grid, or home solar. I can lock the charger remotely to stop it being used. I can see all my charge sessions and how much juice was used. I can enter utility rates to see what each session costs (although the currency is set to £ and I don't know if/how to change it).

    I just use it for plug and play, so all the extras are nice to haves. When I get solar, it's not likely I will use any to charge the car, but that's for another day.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,173 ✭✭✭Firblog


    Re electricians are all robbing bastards... my local one, wanted €680 ex VAT to replace my old charger, - I was supplying the charger!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,910 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    This was for a direct swap? Nothing else changed, right?

    That was the situation with me. I wanted an isolator switch added, but that's a 5 minute job and a cheap part. Insane quotes I was getting.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,706 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Not EV related but I got quoted €2k inc vat to install an external double socket (that I was supplying!) no more than 5m from my consumer unit. There was space in the unit too.

    Someone must be paying it if they feel they can quote like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,879 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Unlikely anyone paying that. Tradesmen quoting silly prices like that are just telling you they don’t want such a job. Electricians in particular are flat out busy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    Madness. That's a two hour job at most, including travel. Was there any other upgrades required?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,173 ✭✭✭Firblog


    Was going to replace 16A cable with heavier one & was going to put in isolator switch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    Well that's very different to just changing the charge point, to be fair. Can't really comment on the fairness of the price without seeing what's involved.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,177 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    I know a bunch of sparks of all shapes and sizes. Flat out busy is not an accurate description. Lazy would be closer to the mark.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    So you know a bunch of lazy people. Great little anecdote you decided to share.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,177 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    No more anecdotal than all electricians are flat out so 2k for a glorified outdoor socket makes sense.

    Don't ya think...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    Nobody said it made sense, as usual we don't have the details and you're just making shlt up now.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,177 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Ah so now I'm making it up, just because you said so.

    Fabulous. Thanks oracle



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    No you're making it up because nobody said it made sense. But you just keep posting your little anecdotes. New year but same bullshit from you.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,177 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Insightful. I await your next input with baited breath...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,221 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I've seen a few occasions where outdoor blue sockets are installed in place of 3-pin or actual Zappi/Wallbox chargers

    Could be a cheaper option perhaps? Only downside is it probably wouldn't work with solar but I think the average FIT is higher than night rate so it might make more sense to charge on night tariff in any case



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,825 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    *Bated* breath.

    680+VAT to install a charger supplied by the customer sounds a bit rich, until you look at the "deals" offered by the big installers, which promise "550 after (old) grant".

    Knowing a Wallbox Pulsar or an EV Mini pro are available at cost for about 300 to these guys, it suddenly starts to look a bit mad when they quote 1150, 1200, 1300 for the package.

    2 hours work max, in my case 1 hour (two lads).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,525 ✭✭✭allinthehead


    Just watch the type of rcd installed as unless the charge point has built in dc protection then the rcd needs to be type B.

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