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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,012 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    The Russia economy is now inflating from the reducing workforce.

    Elvira speaks in coded language.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,012 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    The Kremlin sets Nikolai Patrushev as the fall guy for Putin's order to plant a bomb on or under the wing of Prigozhin's plane that exploded in August.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,168 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    That's who would take over if Putin was to suddenly die. Probably just as bad or worse than Putin too.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,012 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    The Kremlin probably have a list of actors for the job based on differing scenarios.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,012 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    The Kremlin steal a private owned car dealership by the name of Rolf. This was owned by a Russian businessman Sergei Petrov resident in Austria.

    The dealership sold foreign made cars not made in Russia.

    Edit: background on Rolf.


    Post edited by Say my name on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,703 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/ukraine-conflict-updates

    Ukraine will very likely receive the first batch of F-16s before the end of 2023. Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte confirmed on December 22 during a phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky that the Dutch government will prepare an initial 18 F-16 fighter jets for delivery to Ukraine.[6] While Rutte did not confirm the timeline for F-16 delivery, a recent Estonian Ministry of Defense strategy document stated that the Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, and Belgium have already committed to donating F-16s to Ukraine "before the end of the year [2023]."[7]

    Interesting quote from the recent ISW updates. Nice if Ukraine were secretly ready to take them and there was no advanced warning for the Russians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,894 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Main "delay" there has been adequate training, they'd have them already otherwise, it may not seem like it, but we're seeing the effective NATO-ization of Ukraine play out.

    Still holding my breath until the first one is in the sky and firing missiles against russians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,703 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    Yeah for sure the training element is the bottleneck. Perhaps wishful thinking, but maybe all those articles earlier in the year about Ukraine "maybe possibly being ready soon to consider looking at english for F16 manuals" was just bs and the pilot training was already well underway. Much like the first stormshadow announcement were the things blowing sh*t up. And the brits had been quietly integrating them with the Su-25 for months. Ditto for ATACMS although I understand the situations aren't exactly analogous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And it's the same one that their grandfather used in the Great Patriotic War in Stalingrad.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    I see reports that claimed downing of the three Russian aircraft mean a dramatic drop from 80 missiles being launched by the Russian airforce to zero

    How much is a single plane worth in terms of the overall course of the war? Not monetary, but influence. Can a handful of planes really be a big difference between winning and losing? It seems a bit mad.

    @jmreire might be the best person to ask.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,891 ✭✭✭✭briany


    At this point, their value must lie far more in their ability to help thwart Russian attempts to advance as well as fly hit and run sorties and maybe even help police the Black Sea corridor. Basically, anything where danger of being overwhelmed is reasonably low and they can press the speed advantage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    I suppose a question might be what would the taking out of one of those Russian planes be equivalent to in terms of soldiers on the ground? i.e. if you could hypothetically give the Ukrainian army the choice between taking out that one plane, or eliminating X Russia soldiers .... what would X need to be for them to choose that option? (Obviously there isn't a precise answer and it would depend on many other factors and circumstances)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,070 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Downing three planes doesn't just mean three are gone,it means others are slow to be deployed to the areas where they were downed , presumably changing how ground operations work also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    You can take that into account too. I was just asking what it was worth.

    If you place the majority of weight on the "deterrence" aspect then downing three of them wouldn't be a lot more of a success than downing just one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,223 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    How am I bigging myself up. Stop being so melodramatic.

    Back on topic, imagine how safe Russian cities must feel now with so many Russian men, especially prisoners and those who use to be on the dole off in Ukraine.

    Now imagine what they'll be like in comparison when the surviving soldiers eventually return all brain damaged. It will be some shock to society.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2


    Given this sudden loss I suspect F16s are already operating in Ukraine.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,844 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Can't be, we were assured by experts on here that training alone would take 18 months!

    I'd say the most likely suspect is the new Patriot system Germany gave Ukraine (either that system is down south or Ukraine is able to move another system that the patriot system replaced, IRIS/SAMP/T etc..)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,052 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    They may be, an element of surprise. Would make sense to deploy a few to see how they get on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    It's quite possible,but it would be difficult to hide a number of new aircraft unless they operated from outside ukraine



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,012 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Russian conscripts finally getting fed up with the powers above laughing at the mobilised dying in mouse filled trenches.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Mike3549


    Im not a military expert, but i always thought its 18month for somebody who has absolutely no flying experience, but for experienced pilots its about 6 months.

    Reports on twitter that it was actually a patriot ad who shot those su-34s. They were chasing them for the last couple of weeks and finally got the chance to strike



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,844 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    it's something like that yes, but I think the 18 months was the time with someone with flying experience (commercial etc..) but many experts out there were saying they would expect Ukraine pilots to be able to fly them after 4-8 months. Obviously when they start with their best and most experienced pilots etc...

    We'll see, they are not yet flying in Ukraine.

    Maybe we'll see a photo of the patriot with the 3 little plane symbols like the other one closer to Kyiv.

    F0GUe1XX0AEQFz5.jpeg




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,012 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    I don't think this was reported on here at the time in september this year.

    But a famous contract killer in Russia who killed another famous contract killer from Russia in Greece in 1996 along with his Miss Russia partner. Was released from his sentence in a penal colony. Article gives an idea of life in Russia and all various crime gangs.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭IdHidden


    You mean the corruption which is part and parcel of the Russian way of life? The corruption that they spread everywhere they go including all their former colonies like Ukraine, Moldova etc.

    Wanting to escape from that corruption is the one of main motivations for people wanting to leave the "Russian World" and to join the EU.

    Even with all their natural recourses Russian corruption is also one of the things that make the Russian army so ineffective. Unlike the much smaller Ukrainian army which is fighting them to a standstill.

    btw. even Vakniks should know that there is a large body of research that shows that in ex imperial colonies including Ireland etc, that it takes years to counter the persistent effect of colonialism on corruption. As colonialism and exploitation are a major cause of corruption.

    Real Ukrainian independence will go a long way to end the impact of centuries of Imperialistic Russian corruption.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,049 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    You dragged up an article from 2015, so you could cite falsely cite Ukraine as being the most corrupt country. A quick google would have shown the changes in rankings since then. An entirely bad faith argument.

    Ukraine was part of the USSR and then part of Russia's economic orbit. Estonia has been in the EU for 20 years and had to get its house in order to join. One of the major reasons for the war is Ukraine's attempts to move out of Russian economic influence and into the EU - the results of which can be seen in its improvement in the rankings.

    Keep dropping in Russian propaganda talking points and they will be discredited - as easily they were the previous times they were dumped here.

    The posters here who are pro war are those who spread Russian propaganda and dredge up any muck they can to try to attack Ukraine. Because it is Russia who is pro war. It was Russia who resorted to war. Ukraine is defending itself against that illegal aggression. And yet those posters never subject Russia to the same treatment. Because they are pro Russian and pro war.

    So another entirely false Russia propaganda canard in your post.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,049 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Ukraine moving towards celebrating Christmas on 25th December.

    Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy signed a law in July moving the celebration to 25 December, saying it allows Ukrainians to “abandon the Russian heritage” of Christmas celebrations taking place on 7 January. Most eastern Christian churches use the Julian calendar, where Christmas falls on 7 January, rather than the Gregorian calendar by Western churches.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/ukrainians-change-christmas-celebration-date-6258506-Dec2023/

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,052 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    If Russia isn't beaten they will push on. Moldova amd the Baltic states. They have said so not even hiding it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,181 ✭✭✭Field east


    Would I be right in saying that you are quiet a young chap who has read very little history - and especially from the Stalin/Lenin


    era and , hopefully, you will understand how Moldova , Georgia, Latvia , ex East Germany, Ukraine , etc, etc, etc, etc, etc came into being circa 1991. And because all these ‘republics were BORN out of the USSR which had fine tuned CORRUPTION to the N’th degree it will take these INDEPENTANT SOVEREGN STATES some time to diisvest themselves of the practice of corruption.

    you might note also that UKr has recognised it as a national problem and the Gov there is working on the issue to rid of the practice. It is probably ahead of Ru at this point re tackling it !!!!!!!!!!!!

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭duck.duck.go


    A few weeks ago pro Putin accounts made a big deal about a Bild article

    wonder what they have to say now




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