Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

No, we know it could have been much worse if our tax base was even narrower as SF were calling for.

Wrong, there were all kind of ways it could have been worse.

Looking to single out a party that had no involvement in government is just political point scoring.

MLMD thinks the average house price in Dublin should be €300k

How is she and her party going to achieve this? What is the detailed plan, or are they going to send out Eoin O'Broin to bat for them again and come up with grandiose statements like "red tape" and "Public housing"

This x1000

There is very much talent in SF apart from a few who are good at the odd TV appearance. But have any of them worked a real job?

There is a hint of Student Politics about them. Great at megaphone politics, but in the real world with real power found wanting.

It will be the same issue here I think.

It will be hilarious to watch them crash and burn and their supporters online either doubling down or abandoning them for some puritan other cause.

I remeber it all too well.

SF is Ireland's answer to UKIP in all but name.

The 'No' to everything party.

This is demonstratively wrong.

They have spoken at length about it.

The thread is about how and who SF will form a government

Perfectly on thread to talk about the historical records of potential coalition parties.

As I said, a poster made a comment about SF potentially crashing the economy as if that was a unique skill among the coalition potentials.

It isn't.

This is fantasy and invention.

You have no more insight into the future than I or anyone else has. If they do it will not be a unique achievement, it has tragically already been done.

We know for definite what happened in the past, it's historical record.

Hard for you to swallow maybe but no less true.

That is a different issue.

The issue I raised was objecting to the idea that SF are the only ones capable of crashing the economy.

We know to our cost that is not the case.

Agree or disagree?

The polar opposite in fact. The lived experience is that the country has never been as prosperous, but the narrative by those like SF PBP, who disagreed with steps taken to make this happen, is that we are living through a catastrophe. It has seeped into the consciousness of a younger generation admittedly, which only serves to prove that that particular demographic have no idea of what "difficult times" actually look like. Just because you think it's bad doesn't mean it is bad, in real terms.

Lived experience = please don't burden me with facts, leave me to my self-serving ideas

For some Finty, for some.

FF set a plan in place that allowed Ireland to emerge from a global financial crisis and double its economy in 15 years. FG implemented and augmented the plan. If you take a 20 year horizon, you cold not conclude that the economy has been wrecked. It has prospered, to everyone's benefit

That's not a fact at all

The voters had requirements

Said requirements wrecked the Economy

If the voters were interested in Sinn Féins visions back then ,so many of them wouldn't have lost their deposits

Mind you,Sinn Féin are unrecognisable versus then

They are now the party of all things to all men as there's an opening in the market for a party with no track record ,given the incumbents are nearly always coming up short

Politics is funny like that

Yea.

Housing crisis, health service on it's uppers for the upteenth year etc etc etc.

FF and FG doing a great job. One time holders of 86% share of the vote down to just over 40%.

The message is not getting through Finty.

Health? Life expectancy has risen from 75 years to 86 years since 1996- Ireland has jumped to the top ranking in Europe from 20th in 1995. Did this happen without a change in healthcare? Possibly the FF policy of smoking ban, instituting a national cancer treatment strategy, and improving geriatric care had something to do with it?

Housing crisis- is the situation in Ireland any different to any mature Western economy? It is laughable to hear the spin of people claiming to be moving to Australia and Canada etc. due to a housing shortage- if you want to see problems look at Vancouver, Melbourne and Sydney! Berlin, with its rent freeze policy, is now struggling badly too. Lisbon has recently joined the list of go-to no-go zones. If you are moving due a housing shortage, try Grimsby or Belgrade.

Demographic change, acceleration of urbanisation, changing work type and salary structures are all contributing factors to housing issues. Another major issue, in my view anyway, is that recent generations of young adults place life experiences as a priority in their 20's and delay, by choice, many of the major life milestones (marriage, kids, house etc). That is not a criticism just an observation. The number of kids completing post-grad studies into their 20s plays a part also. The 'emigration' we see is mostly voluntary, and net migration is zero meaning most return after a few years. The priorities for many are experiences and material items, and saving for something as mundane and daunting as a mortgage is kept off the radar.