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Marvel Cinematic Universe general stuff

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,376 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Word of mouth/social media is more powerful than critics.

    Five Nights was always gunna be a smash as it has a massive cult following. Whereas the MCU's current reputation is circling the drain after too many duds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    Absolutely agreed that they have to reduce the budgets, but they're at a point where their last few smoking guns do require a big budget. I mean they're talking about Galactus and his Heralds being in the first FF Film, they can't cheap out there.

    I think they shouldn't release more than 2 films in the MCU in a year from now on, and only one of them should be a massive production. For example Blade will be done on a tight budget, while FF will be more lofty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,349 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    They can cut the cost significantly by just having a plan and story in advance and minimising the reshoots and changes after the effects are done



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,000 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    I've just been alerted by RTE he's found guilty. He's got to go surely

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,349 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Yeah, he has totally lost the media narrative now and will be gone. His lawyer seems to have made a big swing to turn the narrative his way and against the victim if he was found not guilty, rather than focusing on him being found not guilty.

    He was found not guilty of the accusation that he intentionally assaulted her - which is was what the victim and prosecution claimed. What they found him guilty of was being reckless when trying to get his phone back from her and injuring her. Similarly, he was found not guilty of aggravated harassment, which is what they built their case on, but instead guilty of putting her back in the car, which is deemed harassment.

    All the nuance in it is lost and the headlines are and will be that he is guilty of assault and harassment and that is him sunk. Doesn't sound like a great guy so not the worst person for it to happen to but it really shows the power of the media.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Considering it’s already canon for a multiverse variant to look different this is the easiest recast ever.

    Recast(even with multiple actors) and move on.

    Actually, considering the end of Loki, they could even move on from Kang pretty swiftly if they wanted. Only think that might be an issue is currently filmed projects with him in mind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,700 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Sure just make Galactus a cloud. They did it before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,349 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,673 ✭✭✭kerplun k


    Meh. Probably for the best. Get out of jail for Disney, Ant-Man highlighted how underwhelming he was as a villain. Great opportunity for them now to head in another direction.

    Based on the incident, I do think the firing is harsh, but if you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes.

    the bum note here, outside of the MCU, he is actually a decent actor, he has buckets of charisma and had a bright future ahead of him, but he’s thrown it all away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,691 ✭✭✭✭Zero-Cool




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,690 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Yeah, narratively I was kind of annoyed that they looked to be undoing the end of Loki, which I had really liked. It felt like that whole story was wrapped up. So I hope they just tweak/turn to go another direction and leave that as it is.

    I don't think it'll be the end of his career. He'll have to step out of the limelight for a year or two, and make some sort of show of having turned things around - and actually genuinely calm the fück down - but then you'd imagine he could return in the sorts of smaller character-rich films he made his name in. Get some positive responses there, and the industry will open back up for him. He's a talented guy, so if he gets his attitude together, there's still the potential of a big career there for him i think.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    A nasty piece of work who gets what he deserves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,376 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    That might be a huge boost to the MCU to dump the Kang plot lines. They were lukewarm at best.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,332 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    As someone who hasn't seen the Disney+ stuff, he wasn't much of a presence at all. A very poor follow-up to Thanos IMO.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    So now that he has been legally declared a scumbag, can we NOW say that Majors deserves his career to be scuttled? /joking-not-joking

    Man, the wheels truly have come off the MCU machine, it's unreal how quickly it all untangled - even if items like the Majors controversy is out of their control. The problem remains though: how do you follow-up Thanos - one of the all time great cinematic superhero villains - especially now that it's clear you can't continue as-is?

    Seems like the the two options are:

    1. recast Kang with someone else; a character already struggling to make an impact
    2. Change villain altogether, but presumably that'll require whatever vague multiverse-tinged plot to go in the bin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,332 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Absolutely. I wonder why Ezra Miller is still in the DCEU but that's literally on its last legs anyway. Wouldn't mind seeing no more of him either.

    As for Kang, I don't think it matters. Most people don't know who he is but there's of course plenty who'll flock to see any MCU offering but it's well past its peak now. Since Kang seems to have some backstory, recasting the role would seem to be the best option given the time and money already invested in the character.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,143 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I think the rumours were that Kang Dynasty would feature the Avengers against all the Kangs, and then Secret Wars would be an enemy called The Beyonder who would be another (but more powerful) version of Kang as the ultimate villian. The main villian from the Secret Wars arc of the comics was The Beyonder (though wasn't a version of Kang).

    So the likely path forward, given the reports that the next Avengers is no longer being referred to as Avengers: Kang Dynasty, is that the Council of Kangs will be replaced with some different multiversal threat (maybe to do with the Multiverse Incursions as featured in Dr.Strange 2's end credits scene with Charlize Theron), and then still follow up with The Beyonder in Secret Wars but it's just not a version of Kang and is instead a new character.

    They can use the ending of Loki Season 2 as justification for why Kang is gone, but explaining that to the movie audience who haven't seen Loki Season 2 would be tough.

    I think just recasting Kang is probably off the table. You can kind of use Multiverse reasons to explain it, but even then they clearly showed Majors as three of the main Kangs in the Council of Kangs at the end of Quantumania. But at this stage, is it even worth doing anything with the Council of Kangs?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,376 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    My favourite thing this morning was some people are trying to get momentum behind a motion to recast Terence Howard as Kang.

    Another theory would be to pivot towards Wanda being an antagonist again, trying to attone for her mistakes in Multiverse of Madness but being corrupted by the Darkhold. That could easily happen to marry into your multiverse threat idea featuring Theron.

    Loki eliminates Kang for the most part easily, while Wanda could absolutely wreck the Council of Kangs thus burying the character utterly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,143 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I was thinking since that maybe Doctor Strange, the one from What If who was utterly corrupted, might be a runner. Super powerful, already has multiverse experience, and the Illuminati of the 838 universe in MoM already determined that in general, Stephen Strange was a greater threat to the multiverse than Wanda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,782 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    Whats the deal with Dr Strange and Charlize Theron?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,000 ✭✭✭✭flazio




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 941 ✭✭✭one armed dwarf


    Could do a bait and switch and have Kang dispatched by a new big bad, and a highly anticipated one like Doom. I don't know anything about Marvel of the intricacies of setting up that storyline, but the thing is the 'Kang' name just seems like box office kryptonite at this point. People really don't care.

    Reminded of that scene in Twin peaks season 2 where when Lynch came back he gave a character that he did not like a fairly gruesome end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,210 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Would love to see BillyCrystal get a chance at the Kange role. For a few years Billy was Box Office gold and marvel badly need a safe pair of hands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,339 ✭✭✭Ridley


    Dr. Doom electing himself hero of the multiverse and just up and removing Kang from it would be entirely doable but, personally, the MCU is struggling at the moment to have worthwhile individual films let alone pretend they're pieces leading to Secret Wars.

    I'm still hoping to get a good Fantastic Four movie not just a meh preamble to a post-credits scene of Chris Evans high-fiving Michael B Jordan or whatever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,349 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    You're entitled to your opinion of the guy but be wasn't found guilty of any of the 'nasty' parts of what were claimed against him, though no one would be able to tell from the media coverage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,000 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Physical manhandling without consent is not an opinion, it's a fact. And there is no logical reason that the condemnation of said actions should be challenged.

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,332 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    This is what you're defending:

    US actor Jonathan Majors has been found guilty of assaulting his then-girlfriend after a trial in New York.

    The jury found Majors, known for playing Kang in the Marvel films, attacked British choreographer Grace Jabbari during an altercation in March.

    She told the court she was left with a fractured finger, bruising, a cut behind her ear and "excruciating" pain.

    Majors, 34, faces up to a year in jail, and has been dropped from starring roles in forthcoming Marvel movies.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67727425

    Stupid superhero films aren't that important in all fairness. He should be barred for life, frankly.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,349 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    He was found guilty of:

    1) being reckless and hurting her while getting his property back that she'd stolen, not going out to intentionally hurt her like the victim claimed under oath.

    2) putting her back in the car when she was chasing him and he was trying to get away. We can all see in the video that it was not 'throwing her in like a football' like the prosecution claimed.

    If people want to condemn him for the facts, those are them. Throwing out terms like 'physical manhandling', 'assault', and 'harassment' are accurate but either lazy or purposefully misleading.

    Beyond what he is found guilty of everything else is purely people's opinion, mostly sourced through the media that has been very one sided in their coverage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,732 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    I'm not going to comment on the case with the actor. Everyone has their own opinions.

    But to below:

    Man, the wheels truly have come off the MCU machine, it's unreal how quickly it all untangled - even if items like the Majors controversy is out of their control. The problem remains though: how do you follow-up Thanos - one of the all time great cinematic superhero villains - especially now that it's clear you can't continue as-is?

    Seems like the the two options are:

    recast Kang with someone else; a character already struggling to make an impact

    Change villain altogether, but presumably that'll require whatever vague multiverse-tinged plot to go in the bin


    As some have said above, alternate universe would certainly open the door for another actor.

    Now bear in mind, my comments below are coming from someone who really has only the vaguest knowledge of the characters. But that's the audience that made the previous phases so successful. Do you want to not p*ss off the comic fans too much? Certainly. However do you want to appeal to as wide an audience as possible? Certainly.

    As I (and others) mentioned in previous posts, he just does not have the same threat or gravitas that Thanos had. Here you have a character who has already been beaten by two relatively minor characters. Certainly not by a whole team of Avengers. They are trying to wedge him in as fast as possible into people's minds that he is the Biggest Bad Eva with his oh so sinister name "He who must not be named".... I mean "He who remains". It took many movies before Thanos had more than a couple of lines (Guardians?) and even then, he was behind the scenes.

    But Kang has been beaten a couple of times already, the post credit scene in Ant-Man 3 was unintentionally laughable. So you have a situation where the bad guy isn't so much tough as... well, there's loads of him. That is annoying rather than intimidating - Oh, THIS guy again? Didn't we already kill him on that movie and that other show? (And that is not even taking into account his extremely annoying portrayal in Loki S2). So I think they could simply drop him as a character and people would move on. They might have a little titter along the lines of "Oooohhhhh yeah, remember that loser? lol" but if you had a more threatening and interesting character with interesting motivation then you could move on: Thanos' motivation was interesting. Killmonger's motivation was not only interesting but he was right. Kang's motivation? To kill those pesky Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? I don't know. Just generic "Rule the multiverse" stuff I suppose.

    I know the rumour-mill is suggesting Dr Doom. Again, I know very little. I know he has had run-ins with the FF of course and also X-men (And what a great way to bring them all into the MCU) but, asking as a know-nothing, would he be sufficiently big-bad enough to involve the B-vengers? (Assuming the Avengers are all too expensive now)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,349 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    I am not defending it, I am stating the facts of the case. I understand why everyone wants this to be a cut and dry easy conclusion but it isn't.

    All you're showing there is the misleading headlines and framing by the majority of the media and that you've clearly bought into it.

    He wasn't found guilty of the more serious charges - what the victim claimed and the prosecutors built their case. The jurors didn't believe them or didn't have enough evidence. He was found guilty of the lesser ones, where the bar is very low.

    Some articles do include the difference and what it means but they're buried in the article:

    The mixed verdict signals the jury believed Majors recklessly assaulted his ex-girlfriend, but did not intentionally do so.

    The mixed verdict also suggests the jury did not believe Majors intentionally committed aggravated harassment inside the SUV, but did believe he harassed her outside the vehicle by picking her off the ground and throwing her back inside.



    Majors' biggest loss is in the court of public opinion, which is why he is no longer in his lucrative role. He fully deserves to lose the role based on putting himself in this mess and making himself so toxic but it is a fact that he wasn't found guilty of the more serious things the victim claimed.



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