Prime Time Gender Issues (READ OP BEFORE POSTING)

Something smaller than a major fault.

I dunno, it could be good for trans kids to read the logical and factual opinions that are presented without malice.

id imagine i know about as much about it as you do unless you have been diagnosed?

Well, no.

As the link above shows, all an over-18 in Ireland needs is for a solicitor or other officer of the state to witness their declaration that they are transgender. No need for doctors at all.

For under-18s, a doctor is required at present, but the law that was in the process of being passed until people started objecting was intended to similarly simplify the procedure for over-16 year-olds as well.

"Note: In November 2019, the Department of Social Protection published a report proposing a simplified path to legal gender recognition for people aged 16 to 17. The report was published after a review of the Gender Recognition Act 2015 (pdf). Its recommendations have not yet been passed into law."

So why are people saying that doctors are required in Ireland? Do they all live in the UK or something?

It is. But the overall thread shouldn’t be closed. Its overall a net positive in terms of discussion and sense.

you dont even need a doctor....

That is fine but we have niw a poster invoking conspiracy theories we have multiple posters with the claim being trans is a fad and a number of posters not condemning the use of the phrase frankenstein. How does this produce a respectful debate? If this was covid related this thread would have been shut down.

The point is that if someone wants drug treatment "because they are trans", there is no need for a medical diagnosis. Self diagnosis is enough for the "affirmation" model.

In fact a doctor wanting to "test" whether the person's claims were exact by querying them may well be at risk of being accused of being transphobic or even of wanting to carry out conversion treatment on the person.

The biggest issues in these types of debates is, in my opinion, the extremes that exist.

Transgender, were most people to think of the phrase, is a person who has been assigned a sex at birth (man/woman male/female) who does not feel like their assigned sex but feels like the opposite sex at some point in their lives - they call themselves transgender.

That's a very straightforward way of looking at it - thee are edge cases of people born with the organs of both sexes etc etc but for the sake of clarity lets leave that side of it out for the minute.

The above is not something that directly impacts my life currently but I do have opinions on it as it could very easily have an impact on my life and the lives of hundres of thousands/millions/billions of people if it is not managed properly.

The issues that "annoy" most people are those that have started up over the past decade or maybe a bit more that introduces this "Gender Spectrum" where people can say they are a gender that has literally no meaning or definition and act out based on their feelings. I appreciate this thread probably hasn't slipped into that realm but I do think that certain posters have it at the back of their minds. Some portion of this has all the markings of a social contagion, whether magnified by social media or otherwise.

There's also the issue of some of the extreme social media influencers out there who have really done damage to the genuine trans people out there. Some of these people mock women and appear to be on a journey for like and clicks and ultimately money.

Then you have a large number of high profile trans sports people who are competing in womens sports - which is completely wrong on every level but a lot of people get ostrachised or sidelined for saying it. I don't believe it's happening here but again these things worry people.

The above are all legitmate concerns that are damaging women (usually), that large portions of women themselves are worried about, yet when they are discussed people from all sides try to shut down the debate.

but the current clammer amongst young people to "transition" is akin to a fad, with a shockingly exponential rise in cases in just a few years, an epidemic unheard of in recent times

Could you provide stats to back up this up please? Irish statistics, numbers please, thank you.

"their feelings as facts"

Isn't that the crux of the whole trans debate?

Anyone can have a theory for why there is an increase. We could probably come up with a dozen theories for this between us. But they are all equally invalid if they have no supporting evidence behind them such as surveys or medical papers. I have no idea why there would be an increase as I haven't read any opinion polls or medical papers on the subject of the increase.