Prime Time Gender Issues (READ OP BEFORE POSTING)

The extremist voices are generally the ones talking to each other in this debate on both sides it makes the arguments so emotive. Like most issues I just go with what the medical establishments view is, I don't think they are trying to pressurise people to transition.

The only time we didn't see this emotive argument lately was,in the Enoch Burke case where the extreme views were only expressed on one side.

Do you think it isn't extremist to be campaigning to mandate trans people out of existence, to be extensively quoting anti semitic conspiracy theories from Jennifer Bilek that Jewish people created trans people, to be stamping on and Ripping up a pride flag.

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/antisemitism-anti-lgbtq-hate-converge-extremist-and-conspiratorial-beliefs

If you cant see that the only way to reduce eating disorders to to treat them then I'm not sure I can help you.

The reason you decouple it is that being trans has nothing to do with your sexuality, gender != sex is one of the basic ideas behind the trans movement right?

I dont know how many times I can explain it.

Trans has nothing to do with being gay. Why would it be beneficial to the Gay Rights movement? It dilutes the entire argument if you bundle in things that are nothing to do with homo or bi-sexuality.

If you dilute the message of a movement then of course its damaging. Note that I have explained several times that the problem is not trans people supporting gay rights, bundling Trans rights into conversations about Gay rights is the problem.

Btw, they dont all support each other as you purport.

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN1TV0V0/

Well considering Pride was setup by a group of hay rights activists, yeah, it also has nothing to do with trans.

Restoring LGB isnt a trans issue, thats the whole bloody point I'm making. Stop turning everything into a trans issue or looking at it from a trans lens. Gay rights are rights for gay people, nothing to do with people who have a problem with their gender.

I'm sure the T people absolutely love being part of the LGB movement, lots of fringe groups love to jump on the band wagon of a successful movement.

According to wiki lgbt has been used since 1988, so not sure how you think they are jumping on the bandwagon. Lgbt as a term is a trans issue as they are included in the umbrella term. If you want to only use the term lgb that is fine, it's a free country, but lgbt is the more commonly used term.

The article is the absolute reverse of what was suggested - that it was evidence of minors getting surgery. The story is the absolute reverse - showing that a young person was getting support and treatment from age 14 and specifically didn't get approved for surgery until age 22).

So for the fifth or sixth time, I ask you - is there any actual evidence of minors from Ireland getting surgery?

Do I need to explain the Daily Heil's track record in riling up hatred against vulnerable groups?

I would agree there are tensions but from everything I have reqd only fringe movements exist to get the T out of lgbt. The poster makes good points as to why they shouldn't be under the same umbrella term but it seems the term lgbt is now the recognised term with the general public and in the gay community.

Again, there's a bit of a difference between 'being a bit of a tomboy' and being trans. What you felt is very, very different to what trans people feel and experience, as you'd find out if you actually listened to them.

It's only insulting if you assume that every person with a disability thinks and feels the same as you. There is decades of evidence that suggests that they don't.

The ones damaging the movement are the ones who make up stories about trans minors having surgery with zero evidence to suggest this happens.

Why would you need to 'trawl the net'? You say that this is what trans activists are saying - so where exactly did you hear them say this?

Very strange that you can't point to any specific examples. It seems to suggest that you're making up your own stories about what people said so you can find something to argue with rather than actually quoting what people have said. It's a frequent tactic on this thread.

Have you reported any of these doctors where you apparently have specific information of them not acting in the best interests of their patients?

Is there any evidence of ANY Irish children 'being pushed' through the process, or does this fall into the 'fiction' category like your stories of Irish children having surgery?

The tensions are with a tiny percentage of the L in Britain, along with a tiny percentage of CIS women, who've decided that punching down on a vulnerable group, working in partnership with obvious Nazis and other far right extremists is somehow a good tactic.

WHich is the opposite of what Helen Joyce was talking about, so I'm not sure that your analogy to eating disorders is any way relevant?

Surely the doctor can apply the chemical test you mentioned earlier. Are you going to provide more details about those chemicals?

That's a great reason to let trans people get on with their trans lives, but some people seem to have made it their mission in life to punch down on trans people.

How can you define trans without defining either of the "legacy" genders?

To say that you dont feel like a male without being able to define what a male is seems...problematic to the argument.

Ah the old " I dont need to define the terms of my argument argument"

Perhaps if you spent more time defining the genders and less time defining TERFs etc you might make some actual progress.

Again, how you can say that you are not one gender when you cant define what either gender is?

Says it all that you view trans people as people who have a problem