A Woke Society? **Mod Warning In Post #435**

"Populism" is just a reaction to seeing an attempt to redefine the world around them, left to themselves "populists" are just people that otherwise would just be getting on with their lives, working, raising kids, enjoying their families and living their lives in their communities. This glob called woke appears where people are left scratching their heads, is it just a "dog chasing a car" by a small minority of people unhappy with some part of their make up?, or could this group actually manage to invert societal values? You cant really be indoctrinated to want society to evolve through normal systems, "populism" is not really the opposite of woke, its more like the brakes one would hope to see against any radical movement. Its credo if it had one ought to be "too far!"

as in the dog never catches the car, woke would never get its way fully because it would eventually go "too far" and the public would just reject it outright by voting it out. Take something reasonably straight forward like college admissions in the US, which managed by woke selection methods to discriminate against Asians , at some stage there was going to be a rebellion against it because it was just unfair, you cant "fix" something by creating another inequity especially a racist based one.

A non woke way of dealing with the issue of better access to colleges would be to pressure the colleges to invest their vast wealth into education in deprived areas with some form of model schools and create a pathway. That is something that would be in line with a normal sense of fair play while not punishing one group to facilitate another

Yeah, thought that's what you meant (it was the "glob" bit that threw me off) - the dog/car analogy is more if they did get it, they wouldn't know what to do with it or how to resoelve the problems it would subsequently cause, but I think we're more or less on the same page here.

Again, that's just an aspect of it. Both populism and woke existed long before Donald Trump showed up.

was thinking the Poll Tax protests in Britan was populism , the way language is being used now they would be demonised by the establishment as far right.

working class people complaining about stuff that affects them is the issue, in the US in some cities black people are complaining about border migrants being dumped in their communities, the locals are probably all Dem voters, but you would feel silly calling them far right

are these people far right?

The poll tax protests were a full-on revolution against a very specific law, not against a perceived social or political group or ideaology. Compare it to the riots last week in Dublin - they weren't protesting against anything specific.

Kinnock was (I think) initally in favour of it too, but it was the beginning of the end for Thatcher. Neither her nor the poll tax survived the next 12 months.

@ancapailldorcha - populism is not the same as far right.

My apologies if incorrect, but I felt it was implied when you repsonded to the poll tax post by asking about far-right langauge.

It could also be argued that populism has been turned into a dirty word by people on the fringes of society who get upset because democracy isn't working for them.

You'd have to ask those who think populism is a bad thing.

Populism and democracy are interchangeable. If someone doesn't like populism or uses it as a negative term then it stands to reason democracy isn't their cup of tea.

I think you won't have to go too far to find people who only like democracy when they get the result they want, and will complain endlessly if not. See all threads about American politics.

This is what a woke society has brought us, a world where it is ok to be explicitly racist towards white people and almost certainly get away with it.

Massive case of double standards that this is deemed ok to exclude people on the basis of their skin colour.

I did read beyond the headline. Having a party for non-whites only is ridiculous, its inherently racist as it excludes one particular group of people solely based on their skin colour. Grouping all non-whites together as one grouping is incredibly racist towards the non-whites as it assume all non-whites having something in common simply because they are non-white it's the perfect example of simply judging a book by it's cover.It's an incredibly divisive way of treating people despite politicians like her always claiming they want to unite people.