Home charge points (purchase/problems/questions) (See mod note post#1)

ted1 · 04-12-2023 12:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121451553#Comment_121451553

installing a charger shouldn’t take a day. Use a local sparks to minimise travel time and costs

CivilEx · 04-12-2023 01:27PM

I think the prices of getting a charger installed will go up in the short term as there will be a rush to get the work done while the €600 grant is still available and this will happen at the same time as lots of people will be getting new EV's in the first three months of the new year with 241 plates.

Supply and demand.

MojoMaker · 04-12-2023 01:41PM

Had a Wallbox fitted by a well known company in one hour (2 lads). Granted it was located very close to the fuseboard. Remember reading on this forum that the cost price to the installer for a Wallbox was working out at 350.

Cost to me was 1150, net cost 550.

bren2002 · 04-12-2023 01:56PM

Would you pm those details please

ColemanY2K · 04-12-2023 02:15PM

i bought a zappi in the summer and have it on a shelf at home. the seai grant approval letter i got this morning says "You must not start work or purchase any materials before receiving grant approval. No costs incurred before the letter of offer start date (displayed at the top of this letter) will be covered".

anyone know what are the chances the cost of the charger (which i bought from ebay in the UK) will be rejected when i submit the paperwork?

CoBo55 · 04-12-2023 02:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121452630#Comment_121452630

Probably, unless you can, ahem, change the date on the invoice 😉

ColemanY2K · 04-12-2023 03:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121452726#Comment_121452726

now now 😁

Gumbo · 04-12-2023 03:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121452144#Comment_121452144

Nett cost to the customer at the moment can be as low as €400 (Flogas EO Mini offer), €500 with ecoplex or Falkearn. There’s no €1000 customer costs at the basic 7kw end of the market.

Buffman · 04-12-2023 03:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121452630#Comment_121452630

Will you get it installed for less than €600? If not, it doesn't matter as the grant will be 'used up' covering installation. If yes and you need to cover the cost, I'd suggest you 'sell' your Zappi to a family member and then 'buy' it back, getting a dated receipt from them of course. Nothing in the grant rules out using a 'second-hand' charger.

Buffman · 04-12-2023 03:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121452144#Comment_121452144

The grant will still require 'smart' chargers to get it so there's pretty much no 'basic' new chargers available here wholesale as they killed off that market.

It may become far more attractive alright, especially for people in older houses, to forget the €300 grant and just get a dumb charger installed by a local sparks. Instead of the potential €1000s of remedial work to bring the house wiring up to new standards which maybe required to get the grant, you could be talking €100s for an install instead.

ColemanY2K · 04-12-2023 03:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121453076#Comment_121453076

that's true. i've yet to speak to a sparky about what's needed which may indeed up being covered by the grant.

04-12-2023 05:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121453206#Comment_121453206

Upgrades to the house aren't grant specific. These issues found in houses are required to be remedied if the spark is registered and providing a cert.

All I've read on here today is that the general public haven't a clue about what's required and why, and that ignorance always leads to the feeling that we're being screwed.

I mean how many people here realise that double pole surge protection must be fitted with every install (what if there's no space in the board?) or that if the house has a neozed fuse that the rec is required to replace it with an mcb (This must be done live now in most installations as smart meter installs don't come with isolators). All existing rcd's/rcbo's must be tested. Earth rod, main bonding and supplementary bonding must be checked and verified. A check on the tails and neutralisation must be done with results recorded. The rec is also now as the last person to issue a cert responsible if something happens in the installation.

As I said earlier, a bargain for about 400 quid.

Buffman · 05-12-2023 03:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121453744#Comment_121453744

I know exactly what's involved in getting a cert with the latest regs, that was the point I was making. That now that it's only a €300 grant people might not be too pushed about getting it certified for the grant and spending the possible €1000s that may be required on older houses if you're talking possible new meter tails, consumer unit, earth rod, hotpress work, etc. (I'm not suggesting in any way that anyone should do anything illegal, just pointing out that the €600 grant was possibly a major factor in people hiring RECs to legitimately carry out the work on the books.)

05-12-2023 05:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121457651#Comment_121457651

Well if people were only making there homes safe to get a 600 euro grant then they're morons.

05-12-2023 05:39PM

We had a case in our estate recently where somebody was refused permission by the management company to install home charging infrastructure. There's marked out parking spaces outside his house with a footpath between them and his front door. Was told the footpath was "owned" by the management company and he couldn't make alterations to it. Haven't heard anything about the case since so I'm not sure how he would proceed from here.

liamog · 05-12-2023 05:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121458401#Comment_121458401

Is the person a home owner or renting? I had a similar situation. Some managing agents will default to saying no in the hope you go away. If they are an owner in the estate then it's worth talking to the directors of the company and convincing them. If that fails then it's a case of getting elected to the management board and implementing and proper charging installation policy.

Management companies operate on behalf of the communal property owners, it might just take a bit more effort to get where you want to be.

05-12-2023 06:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121458466#Comment_121458466

I believe the person is a home owner. There’s quite a few houses in the estate with a similar set up, so something will have to be sorted eventually if more people switch to EVs.

CivilEx · 09-12-2023 08:22AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121436228#Comment_121436228

Ok, just a quick update for anyone wondering how long it's taking to receive the grant after charger installation - I submitted paperwork on 10th Nov and the €600 grant hit my account on 9th December.

Gumbo · 10-12-2023 12:34PM

Just seen this offer in my socials. If you don’t need PV integration, this seems very good. Supplied and fitted for €395.

Get your grant application in before 31st Dec!

CoBo55 · 10-12-2023 03:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121478228#Comment_121478228

Great little CP with such good FIT rates it's cheaper to charge your EV on the energia 8c rate.

Marty Bird · 12-12-2023 05:42PM

Guys I applied for the home ev charger grant last week and was approved, I applied for the grant on a particular charger but I’m looking to go for a Zappi now. Do I just email SEAI and ask them to amend it or start a new application? Thanks.

CivilEx · 12-12-2023 06:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121487613#Comment_121487613

I changed from the charger I had originally proposed in the grant application and installed a Zappi in the end. It didn't seem to affect anything for me anyway and I received the grant ok

Marty Bird · 12-12-2023 06:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121487695#Comment_121487695

Thanks for that, just on the zappi I read you don’t need to connect to the earth rod was that the same for your install?

CivilEx · 12-12-2023 06:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121487715#Comment_121487715

You won't be connecting directly to your earth rod, but your house must have an earth rod to be compliant with the electrical regulations in Ireland as far as I know. The electricians that installed mine insisted on seeing the lid of the green box for the earth rod in my footpath, even though they didn't open it to inspect it. I think what you are reading about maybe is pen fault protection - which the Zappi has.

fido_dido · 13-12-2023 12:03PM

How long does it take to get the money back in your account after you claim for grant?

CivilEx · 13-12-2023 12:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121490161#Comment_121490161

Approx 4 to 5 weeks

ozmo · 13-12-2023 07:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121478228#Comment_121478228

Hi - We need to install a charger - hopefully before Dec31 for grant purposes...

I was considering this or the Zappi un tethered. Its for a Tesla 3.

Question - with untethered Zapii and the above EO - am I correct in thinking I would need source a cable to connect Tesla to them?

I dont think these or the Tesla come with a cable - is that correct? I would ideally need about 6.5 meters length.

Also - will I have to have that extra switch (the second box in photo above) I see sometimes mounted on the wall? (no electric shower in house if that helps) thanks!

Gumbo · 13-12-2023 07:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121492050#Comment_121492050

All teslas come with a Type 2 cable. I got a 7.5m one.

With both of the above, you’d need the cable.

You don’t need to install before 31st Dec, just get approved for the grant (which is automated online).

Yes you’ll have the isolator switch. It’s mandatory and has to be within 2m (I think) of the chargepoint.

ozmo · 13-12-2023 08:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121492110#Comment_121492110

Thanks- was that extra for the longer cable? Tesla.ie site is not clear but says it comes with 6m “mobile” cable?

so if i get that eo offer - thats ill i need? Tesla will connect straight to it? That correct? Thanks- just confused with mentions of teslas not coming with cables anymore (

https://www.autoblog.com/amp/2022/04/18/tesla-charging-cable-costs-extra/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAE5AoK0G4iI7bg3QtAEVf8RBt07kTctGybgURTOZVwmftZaa0RrvF8Ej53wmP2Vr_-bdNvEJRPhYCTGgMx3UlxC-2xX3k39bdKiUKu9rEo3XYjbarZb4VAS8Tev1Xyu6kTt2TzcxUU4DW2E85scM2bie7cfcN0eLO-CcXtQyGdH_

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Gumbo · 13-12-2023 08:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121492185#Comment_121492185

That’s the granny charger.

You also get the Type 2 cable. Not sure on length though.

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