Public Pay Talks - see mod warning post 4293

You can't counter statistics and facts with a meandering rant.

For the third time, you didn't say nearly doubles without one promotion.

You said guaranteed to double or treble. Full stop.

Now, you're trying to claim that what you really meant is "A COs salary is guaranteed to double or treble, provided they get a couple of promotions along the way". This isn't what you said, you're changing the goalposts mid-argument because your claims have been shown to be false, and you're losing the argument. Also, it's a fecking ridiculously stupid argument to make. The private sector equivalent, which you are still claiming doesn't exist remember, is "A street sweeper's salary is guaranteed to treble if they get promoted three or four times over their career". Yeah, course it does Einstein. Everyone's does, it's called getting a better job.

There is no way for a COs salary to treble or quadruple. There is, if they get promoted but that's now not a COs salary any more now, is it? Its also not a guarantee they get promoted, but that's besides the point. John, Mary and Frank are all COs in 2001. Frank and Mary get three promotions each up to AP level by the year 2025. John gets zero promotions. Does John's wages treble or quadruple? No. They don't even double. Meanwhile, John's brother David has been working in a supermarket the last 25 years and his wages have gone up 4 and a half times what they were while John hasn't even doubled.

This is what people are trying to tell you, but you can't get into your skull. The whole crux of your argument is that this doesn't happen in the retail sector. This 100% does happen in the retail sector, all the time, everywhere. You have been shown facts and figures which prove this, which you haven't even addressed in the slightest, and you're still getting confused. So not only is your claim that growth in the PS is guaranteed while the private sector have to struggle, it has been proven to you that the OPPOSITE is true, lower paid private sector wages have increased 4.5 times while public have increased less than double, and STILL you won't let go.

You're now talking about inflation of the Quinnsworth wages which hasn't been taken into account, while you blindly ignore the fact that inflation hasn't been taken into account for the COs wages from that period either. You can't take it into account on one side and then not do the same for the other without looking like a complete dope.

If EO wages kept up with the min wage increases over the last quarter century, they'd be on 80k starting salary. Instead it's barely over 33k. This blows your entire argument out of the water, you haven't a leg to stand on. The more you keep banging this drum, though, the more everyone realises that you don't know what you're talking about.

Don't bother replying, I'll not be answering any more of your idiotic, ill-educated, rambling, incoherent and contradictory nonsense any more.

Thank fcuk.

looks like the government have played this beautifully ..

give away everything 14.2 billion to social welfare recipients

wait till very end of year for inflation to hopefully drop and recession to kick in to claim inability to pay for impact of massive cost of living increases

Latest CSO figures confirm economy in recession

will the voting workers buy it is the question?

Considering the last deal hasn't expired yet, its hard to start negotiations earlier. Bashing unions for no reason.

I hate responding but honestly have you really any idea what you are you talking about? Its standard practice.

What's hard about it? A deal doesn't have to expire before you start negotiating.

They could have started back in September.

Well what where they doing in June, and September 2022 then - which I might remind you, was also right before the Budget?

What they're doing now, is using delay tactics.

We clearly know more than you, because you're completely wrong. Stop now, before you dig yourself in any deeper.

Also, the final installment (NOT increment) under this Agreement was on 1st October, 2023.

Oh just stop with the doubling down.

Also amused at you thinking Ministers are "too busy" in September.

You probably mean increase and not increment. I never said anything about entering discussions before the final increase but they literally did just that last year. So its not quite as mind blowing as you seem to imagine.

An increment is an addition employees receive, usually annually, on the anniversary of their start date for a fixed period.

There's no excuse for only getting going in December.

It's Friday afternoon, and I couldn't be arsed to keep arguing with you.

You're only exposing your own inexperience and lack of knowledge here, yet again.

If you want to be pedantic, the talks in 2022 broke down on 17th June, resumed on 29th August, and concluded in the early hours of 30th August. Members were balloted in September, before the Budget.

Also, the Dáil is in recess from mid-July to mid-September, each year.

The Ministers must be so busy on their holliers.

I think along with a pay rise the unions should be pushing for an extra allowance for those working in major urban areas like Dublin , Cork and Galway similar to what happens in the UK . A guard , nurse, teacher etc working in rural Mayo or Cavan will have a much higher disposable income after paying bills than a colleague on the same wages in South Dublin for example as accommodation and everything else is so much more expensive. It might make it easier to attract staff into areas struggling to fill for example teacher vacancies or to recruit guards . Would be recruit guards couldn’t consider Dublin now unless living with relatives