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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,965 ✭✭✭jmreire




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,730 ✭✭✭macraignil


    "the idea that Ukraine actually suffered at bakmuth just as bad"

    You are the only one I have seen to claim somehow the armed forces of Ukraine suffered in Bakhmut just as much as putin's forces did with most sources I have seen claiming a ratio of moskovyte losses to Ukrainian losses in the area that was very much in favour of the Ukrainians. Some claim the losses of troops by the wagner group there led to its destruction along with much of the offensive capabilities of putin's forces.


    "how the Russians could hold a vital slag heap now they are in adviika"

    Again claiming putin's forces are in Adiivka without any evidence to support your claims?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    According to some computer game he has access to ......


    Call of duty??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,965 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Fair Play, Kazakhstan!!!

    kyivindependent.com



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    Both sides paid a heavy price in the end. I wonder this time next year will we be all still talking about this war or even the year after that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I previously said it looked like they the US /EU were actively planning for a 5 year war ,were now heading to year three and still very little has along the front lines and with the big counter offensive,

    In all honesty I can see the US and EU eventually pushing for a political solutions which is something that kept creeping up over the last few months even if it has only been said quietly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    Yeah that's the worry. Will be up to Ukraine as such but I suppose if and it's an if there told we can't supply you with what you have been getting it might change the picture but only time will tell. I just remember it was all Syria syria Syria on the TV for months on end and hardly ever a mention ever now and then it's Ukraine and was all Ukraine now it's moved on to Israel and Gaza. It's more I worry that say the next conflict comes along and 1 after it and Ukraine ends up further down the list and then once it's not in the public light it's then I feel politicians and countries might not give as much as they are now as that countrie's population has moved on from the Ukraine/Russia war. Out of sight out of mind comes along.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    Don’t worry I’m sure the Russians won’t be able to resist sending another load of refugees to a border or killing innocent people or threatening nuclear Armageddon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Except that this invasion of Ukraine impinges on Europe and the EU. We're as far away as possible in European terms, but plenty of bordering states who don't like the look of this imperialist Russian expansion at all. As individual citizens we have all paid a price in terms of rising food & fuel costs. Even in terms of our own state, we need to see peace and stability brought to Ukraine and the region, so that we may repatriate our Ukrainian war refugees back home to help rebuild their nation. And ditto for many other EU states. So we have skin in this game.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    To be fair your right and that might be 1 massive saving grace for Ukraine is that its happening on the EUs border.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,604 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Yes. The mere fact we are seeing leaks about it, would indicate that without a major breakthrough by Summer next year, the call for some sort of negotiated end to this conflict will grow stronger, but Putin will spin that as a victory and the West will have been enfeebled. It will also give encouragement to others watching on. So I feel those pressures must be resisted. I still think Ukraine can make a decisive breakthrough sometime next year. Putin's grasp on power may then become more precarious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Yakutsk would be in eastern Russia. It couldn't be any further from Ukraine. These warehouses could have been storing North Korean munitions on transit. Probably in an area affected greatly by Putin's draft being a long way from Moscow. Or could even be more local officialdom having sold the munitions to China on the black market and using fire for cover up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭Mormegil


    Tweets on that thread say it's a furniture shop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Hopefully that's the cover for the warehouse. But the lack of explosions and firemen casually nearby point more to non weapons.

    Insurance job then in a reclining economy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,750 ✭✭✭Apiarist




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 904 ✭✭✭techman1


    The assumption is baseless unless external powers agree to freeze the conflict, one side or the other will collapse. The Korean situation only became possible because the major powers had enough and the US had the muscle to keep an army in place on the peninsula.

    You gave 3 hypothesis on how the war could end but you excluded one possibility. The west and the rest of Eastern Europe especially Poland has alot riding on this war and the defeat of Russia. If it was likely that ukraine was about to collapse surely an intervention by poland to prevent that would be a possibility. Obviously then it becomes a wider war, but would China enter in order to bail out putin, I doubt it. Obviously the US would be extremely wary of an intervention by poland so massive aid to ukraine in order to prevent the collapse of ukraine. The west and Europe have alot riding on this war too. They cannot allow putin to succeed in ukraine. Poland is now one of the biggest military powers in Europe, I doubt Russia would be in a position to take on a fresh European army in ukraine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    Stay classy Russian propaganda 🤣

    edit: there’s more


    “Civilisation made a big mistake in educating women”

    This is handmaidens tale type bullshit from a country that wouldn’t know what civilisation is

    Post edited by m2_browning on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,965 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Insurance in Russia??? The way the insurance "industry" works in Russia, if you don't have it, for sure your business will go up in smoke. Thats a certainty, but what's not so certain is that even with having insurance, and your business goe's up in smoke, that you will be covered. Its the Russian Way.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    This is handmaidens tale type bullshit from a country that wouldn’t know what civilisation is

    And I will continuously remind everyone, like an unapologetic broken record, that this is rhetoric precisely matched by the modern American Conservative movement. Perhaps not quite "national TV" level yet, but definitely CPAC level (which Republican politicians, including Trump of late, would attend) and thus quite a mainstream audience. Roe v. Wade was already scrubbed, curtailing gender equality wouldn't be that far a leap. We gawp and shake our heads at Russia slowly devolving, one talking head at a time, but our closest cultural and political partner after the UK could find itself heading that way too.

    Let's not forget The Handmaid's Tale's story all started because of ... a severe drop in childbirth rates, and a collapsing population. hmmm, sound familiar?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,540 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Nor that the Handmaid's Tale was originally written as a thought exercise "What if the Islamic Revolution that happened in Iran was a Christian Revolution that occurred in the US?" i.e. it is based on events which happened in the real world rather than just as a thought experiment in Atwood's imagination.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,730 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Report that Ukrainian forces fell back from a demolished industrial area near Adiivka to allow for more of putin's forces to be eliminated:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande



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    I had considered considered it, and discounted in on the basis of the old refrain that soldiers win battles while logistics win wars and NATO is out of ammunition. This was one of the scenarios hypothesized during the nuclear scares of the 1980s, that both sides would quickly run out of conventional munitions and resort to firing nukes if one side or other made a break through. Since the 1980s, European manufacturing has been off-shored and switched to just in time with extended supply lines, the West does not have the ability to scale weapons production for that scale of offense. To date Europe has not been able to scale production to meet demand. Western politicians, did not think this war through and are now learning a brutal lesson in logistics, manufacturing, sourcing materials and production planning. How long can can a NATO army be supplied in the field?

    Germany has been crippled by shutting off fuel and mineral supplies, it is the funding nation for the EU project. I expect an economic collapse of Germany (and through it the EU). I reckon that crisis is likely 2 to 4 years out. Politics across the West are at the moment trending towards nationalism, there is no common cause uniting EU countries against Russia and a switch to a war economy. Across the board in Western Europe, inflation especially cost of accommodation, mass migration and energy policy (i.e. climate) have been creating political instability

    There are other maneuvers underway on the financial side: Why China & Saudi Arabia Have Signed A $6.9 Billion Currency Swap Deal

    The Saudis need $80 oil to meet their domestic budgets and "the West" wants low oil prices, especially to hurt Russian budgets.

    The Chinese government are replacing their trade partners' US treasury holdings with Peoples Bank of China treasuries, this will give countries an option to mitigate financial restrictions imposed US government policy.


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Lot of assumptions in there??? You think the 'combined west' has less capacity in munitions already stock piled and what it can manufacture than Russia?? Can't see anyone betting on that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande



    If has already been mentioned several times on the thread that "Europe" has not been able to deliver the ammunition their politicians promised. It has not been explained why this failure has happened.

    When discussing the scenario that NATO gets involved in face to face fighting with the Russians, the logistics of the campaign will need to be organised. In that scenario Belarus becomes actively involved and that is at least another 300,000 men called up on the Russian side. NATO will need to move their armies 600 KM from the Polish borders to the Dniper river for starters and further to the Russian borders, that requires transport and fuel. Weapons and munitions will be needed, how much can European industry supply for this operation? It's not possible to take half measures and do it cheap, the population has to be behind the governments and taxes must be raised. There are quite large protests over the goings on in Israel, what do you expect to happen if you want to send NATO armies into Ukraine?

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,396 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Interesresting report

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    Summary:

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    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,286 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    By the time they realise it's too late and they either die/surrender to Ukraine or get shot retreating. If you constantly bring in new storm units they don't have time to organise a revolt. The regular Russian soldiers are probably kept happy by the fact they don't have to do the storming.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Eh, NATO have had 18+months to plan and configure for various scenarios - to plan those logistics. They've not been sitting around twiddling their thumbs. No doubt but that NATO and individual states are monitoring the situation on a daily basis and adapting plans and strategies as needed. And don't forget our reluctant friends, the Swiss, who manufacture munitions but currently prefer them not to be used to their real purposes. What Europe/US/NATO/Friends have been supplying to Ukraine is surely a different matter to what they actually have on hand.



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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    The explanation is that Europe stopped making the type of cheap unguided artillery shells that Ukrainian doctrine requires. They struggle to make unguided shells - they would also struggle to manufacture muskets and bayonettes.

    NATO doesnt need as many unguided shells - they have HIMARS and F35s.

    Its pretty damn simple really, except if you look at one particular munition type, squint, then assume it applies across the board.

    Amazing, Russia is pushing this exact same line. Funny that.

    More detailed post here:

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121285979#Comment_121285979



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