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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,782 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Funny how the keg beer market can support, seemingly, endless lager brands but appears to baulk at any more than 3 stout brands!



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,787 Mod ✭✭✭✭BeerNut


    Solely because one stout brand dominates in a way that no lager ever has. By the time lager arrived in Irish pubs, our competition law had modernised so that a Guinness situation couldn't happen again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 495 ✭✭Yeah Right


    Very difficult to get a decent craft wheatbeer in Ireland.

    The Hope crowd do one called Overboard that's nice.

    O'hara's Cuirim is pretty nondescript, wouldn't write home about it. They did a limited collab with Tullamore DEW that was lovely but good luck getting your hands on that.

    Lough Gill do one called Bán which is more of a Belgian Wit but I haven't seen it anywhere, it's supposed to be lovely.

    If you get the chance, Rothaus is a German beer that has a couple of styles and their hefeweizen is the nicest available over here. McHugh's sell it, along with a few others but the distributor is British and refused to engage with anyone over here for a while during/after Covid for some reason. It's back now, though not exactly locally brewed.

    Lidl's crafty American Wheat ale is also lovely, though probably neither Irish nor craft, never actually checked.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,540 ✭✭✭squonk


    I’ll add Western Herd’s Backbeat here as well. It’s quite nice. They do it in limited runs though. I hadn’t seen it in a while but delighted it’s back in stock.

    https://www.westernherd.com/product/back-beat/



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,025 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    Lidl's crafty American Wheat ale is also lovely, though probably neither Irish nor craft, never actually checked.

    that Lidl range is brewed by Rye River in Celbridge, so it's both. It's very american though, in that it has a lot of late hop additions/dry hopped so isn't at all similar to German wheat beers - it's a nice beer though, as is the American Brown Ale in the same range



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Firblog


    Not a fan of orange or hops in my beers, may give them a go though :D



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,513 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Guinness hasn't been an old man's drinking for about 10/15 years now.

    It is an acquired taste for a generation of Irish who grew up as "Budweiser men"

    When I started in the industry there was little point to any lager tap that wasn't Bud and Heineken. Carlsberg would make a rare appearance but not sell much.



  • Registered Users Posts: 495 ✭✭Yeah Right


    Cheers, I'll check that out myself.

    Interesting, I had assumed the range was English for some reason and never got around to checking.

    Very true. Something else that has amazed me for the guts of about ten years now: Considering we are probably smack bang in the middle of Ireland's golden age for beer choice and range, there's a complete dearth of certain styles, loads missing from the market altogether. The entire market has been flooded with IPAs and similar to beat the band and everything else is missing out. Most people probably couldn't name 5 or 6 craft stouts, same with ciders, I struggled earlier with the wheat beers and I'm mad for the stuff. Good luck trying to get a proper marzen or kellerbier or Bitter or Pilsener etc. Even craft lagers were missing until very recently. Same with Saison or a lot of the Belgian styles.

    Meanwhile, most could tell you 5 of 6 different types of pale ale, never mind the actual beers themselves......Pale Ale, IPA, NEIPA, Amber Ale, Golden Ale, Red Ale, Imperial IPA........Almost half of the taps in your typical GBB type pub have the words "ale" or "IPA" on them. You're lucky if you get 1 cider and 2 stouts.

    It's a far cry from the dire situation we used to be in, where it was Guinness/Bulmers/Carlsberg/Bud/Harp and that's it, but jaysus lads, branch out a wee bit more.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,513 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Pale/IPA is about the only beer style I don't drink but I just have to accept that the trends in craft beer are very much based on the US style. Ireland isn't actually too bad due to craft breweries drawing on our historic red ale and stout drinking. In the UK many breweries completely ignore stouts and Irish/Belgian/German style beer.

    Doing alright here in Limerick anyway. Treaty over the last few weeks had a cask alt, watermelon wheat and a smoked ale all of which were excellent and Crew have a lovely smoked beer on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,025 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    I think you need to broaden your horizons slightly, especially on the Stout front. Almost every Irish craft brewery produces a stout, but you hardly ever see them in pubs that aren't actual craft bars, and I have my suspicions as to why that is. A certain market leader in Stout is happy for a pub to stock a craft IPA, but not a craft Stout, under threat of not getting a supply of the most popular stout.

    As for branching out, again, broaden your horizons I'd say, the top Irish craft breweries regularly release all manner of different styles, granted they aren't "core range" but that's because they have to keep the lights on really - go into Underdog, Dudley's, Fidelity, Big Romance and have a look at the ranges there.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,994 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    I've had saisons from multiple Irish brewers. You'll usually get Marzens a couple of times a year from a few brewers (Kinnegar comes to mind), Whiplash, Kinnegar, GBB and many others have Pilsner also. A quick browse on some of the craft beer websites will show that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,782 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Over the years :

    Furstenburg, Hoffmans, Fosters, Warsteiner, Harp, Miller were all popular in the last century. Probably loads more that I've forgotten about.

    There's always been room for new lagers in the market - they might not all last, longterm, but they do better than stouts!



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,513 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Harp is before my time. The rest I have never seen in keg except the odd Foster's and that was only after the recession era Tuborg boom (which also saw a Harp comeback)

    Pilsner looks to me to be a core range beer in Irish craft breweries which is a nice detour from the US and UK model.



  • Registered Users Posts: 495 ✭✭Yeah Right


    Ah yeah, I know they're out there but the point I'm making is they're still a very low number in comparison to the IPA revolution. And they're even fewer and further between if trying to get them on tap. One saison and a couple of seasonal marzens is pitiful when you look at their other offerings, which are essentially the same bar a few minor differences in bitterness/hoppiness. Plus, like I said earlier, most of these are relatively new. It was a good few years before they got any foothold while the IPAs dominated.

    Even today, the lineup in Brew Dock or the Black Sheep is always about 50% IPA and other pale ales. One nitro stout and another solitary cider is poor showing, relatively speaking. IF I liked them more, maybe I wouldn't find it as annoying but e.g. Brewdog has 21 beers on tap and 11 of them fall into this category. Just seems like overkill but they wouldn't be stocking them if they weren't selling I s'pose.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,513 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Used run a place with a tap set up of 2 pale, 2 IPA, 1 pils, 1 dark, 1 sour, 1 whatever crazy stuff was out there.

    Each pale and IPA would outsell the rest by about 8 to 1 if not more. So that's 16 kegs of IPA and 16 Pale to every 1 sour or whatever was on the more unusual line which could have been anything from Saison to barrel aged stuff. (Sold Guinness and Staropramen so would ignore the dark/pils figures)

    Hoppy beer is just simply what the craft scene is based around and where the money is.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,025 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    Rockshore has the might of Diageo behind them, but in addition, a lot of their sales in my experience are to captive audiences - you can't get Hophouse 13 in the RDS at a Leinster match, but you can get Guinness and Rockshore. I've seen the same at outdoor gigs during the summer, too - Rockshore the only lager option.



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,026 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Very quiet in here!

    I see the Crafty 12-bottle Christmas boxes are on sale now in Lidl. €21.65 IIRC (I fondly remember the pre-MUP normal selling price and the just-before-Christmas clearance price... 😪 )

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,858 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    None in my local Lidl this afternoon. What's the mix of bottles like this year?



  • Registered Users Posts: 280 ✭✭NCS


    2x Lager, Red Ale, Pale Ale, Stout

    1x IPA, Pale Wheat Ale, Saison, Brown Ale



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,540 ✭✭✭squonk


    I got the beer cloud advent box this year. Just starting into it. Had Body Riddle by Whiplash so far and liked it. Tonight was Rye River HopDrops IPA which wasn’t my thing. It tasted kind of dry which was unusual. Next up tomorrow is Ostara by GBB. Ostara is fine but I’m not its biggest fan.



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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,818 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Noticed that some GBB cans that I've had in a fridge since August have Re-Turn logos on them, whereas the bulk of what I'm buying right now still doesn't.

    Going to be a lot of selling at MUP clearance of cans in January at this rate. Not a good thing in terms of costs for the breweries; but if you could put the logo on in August why have I not seen any others yet?

    Lough Gill can I have beside me now has two Scandinavian deposit logos on it but no Re-Turn. BBE 05/24 so is either ancient (12), not too old (9) or brand new (6) depending on what BBE Lough Gill use.


    The bulk of my home beer drinking is actually glass - Rye River or Kinnegar, although I get plenty of cans from them too; so that will reduce my chances of seeing it.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭Shank Williams


    I’ve noticed the beer selection has shrunk a good bit in the 2 SuperValus i frequent- even in the fairly diverse offie I go to.

    wouldnt be at the IPAs much at all myself now- way more likely to get a German beers of some description- better on the head and stomach the next day I find- can’t go wrong with Paulaner/ Franziskaner



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,026 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    In the "before times" they used to include a bottle aged stout as a bonus ☹️

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,858 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    Brandy cask, if I remember correctly. I got a box at the Ennis Road store in Limerick that accidentally had 3 of them. Good times.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,818 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Weirdly, my two 'regular' (one far more so than the other) SVs have both improved in recent months

    The already good one now has a few more breweries in the mix and gets some specials - Rascals particularly; the one that was super patchy now has core range from a few (Rye River, Lough Gill, Kinnegar, Donegal Brewing) but you're never going to see anything too odd.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,513 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    All the supermarkets grade their stores which has a big impact on availability of the more specialised stuff. Maybe things are going well round your way



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,818 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    These stores are nowhere near each other (hundreds of kilometres); and they're also different franchisers as you'd expect with that distance.

    Store with better range of booze (but worse range of food) is the smallest of a ~5 store chain, the worse booze/better food is mid sized in a 12 - trusting their website - store chain



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,513 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users Posts: 978 ✭✭✭wexdevil


    I went with the Moersleutel one myself, day one was a 14% Irish BA Stout, day 2 was a 9%QIPA and todays was another 14% imperial stout.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,782 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Wtf is a QIPA?



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