Supporting craft breweries

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232848#Comment_121232848

Must be the sweltering temperatures up there close to the Equator...

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232848#Comment_121232848

Ya because it's Coors light and Miller. Bottled lager and a glass with ice was very trendy particularly with women of a certain age.

But if you are gonna get German/Belgians or craft beer into a pub you are not doing your job if you don't explain the difference to the staff.

irish_goat

Up until a few years ago you weren't getting any German/Belgian or craft beer in Donegal though. 😅

Tinter Box

Anyone know which pub in Temple Bar Conor McGregor has bought?

Citizen Six

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121236382#Comment_121236382

Mother Reillys.

the beer revolu

I don't really understand why people are so aghast at the idea of ice in beer or wine.

If a white wine is too warm for me , I'll put some ice in it. Why not? We do it with almost all other drinks. Actually, red wine is often served too warm and could benifit from a cube or two.

Likewise, I'd rather a beer with a bit of ice in it than one that I find too warm.

Insect Overlord

The Locke Bar in Limerick nearly always offer a glass of ice with their small selection of craft beers. Black Lightning from 9 White Deer, for example, a beast of a black IPA. They keep the beers in a really cold fridge behind the counter so I don't know what they're thinking with that suggestion.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121240490#Comment_121240490

I don't really put ice in anything I drink. Warm wine doesn't bother me and I sometimes prefer it. Even with coffee I drink espresso because I hate anything watered down.

The only exception is a cocktail where ice is part of the recipe.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121240502#Comment_121240502

The staff there just don't have a clue about beer. I used to constantly get draught beer in the wrong glasses too. As I said up thread I blame management.

Pen Rua

There was some… discourse in this thread a few months ago re impending labelling laws re nutrition etc.

Tweet from Third Barrel owner piqued my interest.

Anyone got a bottling line for sale? Might be easier and cheaper to move back to bottles than deal with the bureaucracy **** show and cost that this mess of a return scheme that's coming our way. Small breweries and small off licences are gonna be hit hard!

what’s the story here?

L1011

That's the deposit return scheme, won't apply to glass due to lobbying by Rehab etc (although officially its cause we recover enough glass as it is - but we're also ahead of target on aluminium so that's bollox).

The labelling and verification requirements aren't hugely easy and are compulsory for the producer/importer.

Small off-licences will not be required to take bottles back, that is opt-in. Small importers may find it too faffy to bother with.

Hotblack Desiato

Complete pain in the hole for consumers too but what else is new.

I thought the EU was supposed to prevent this sort of anti-competitive crap, like MUP it clearly plays into the hands of the biggest producers.

Macy0161

Ice in the glass to kill the taste of Coors?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121256169#Comment_121256169

I did see Ballykilcavan say they are switching some beers to bottles for the rest of the year to avoid complications of unsold stock at the go live. I'm surprised it's really needed with aluminium - probably the easiest to recycle as it is. I occasionally litter pick (when I get the community spirit urge) and far more coffee cups and take away wrappers than cans (and rarely beer cans at that).

irish_goat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121257708#Comment_121257708

I'd imagine it's aimed at households rather than littering. I worked for 3 years in waste management and found there is a large chunk of the population who simply do not bother with any sort of recycling whatsoever.

breezy1985

What exactly is the controversy with cans at the minute ?

Beanstalk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121240490#Comment_121240490

The Ancient Romans and Greek famously watered down almost all their wine, all the time. Makes sense. Need to not be to wasted while conqeureing and enslaving Western Europe.

Twee.

The DRS is going to be an absolute pain admin wise. Been battling with it the last 6 months. It's way over complicated and very clear that small, craft businesses were not involved at the consultation stage. As such, the feedback small businesses are giving now, now that were actually close to implementation, is way too late. On the importer side, some overseas brands simply won't be bothering to register their on-off beers, only core range, so I wouldn't be surprised if this has an impact on consumer choice on shelf.

Pen Rua

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121256189#Comment_121256189

I've completely missed most of this, tbh. So now a can of beer has to be labelled and verified in such a way to allow it to be returned in a store for recycling?

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121262933#Comment_121262933

Yeah. This is done in lots of Europe and many US states already. Virtually no shop ever does manual take back, they install a reverse vending machine that scans the can/bottle for the logo and/or known barcode

breezy1985

Is there some sort of benefit to the customer like the discount for returns in Europe ?

Surely anyone who could be bothered recycling is doing it at home already and the people who are not won't be bringing back cans.

Twee.

The deposit is linked to the registered barcode of the item, so they need to be "undamaged" going into the machines so they can be read correctly. The label will have a little logo on it so you know a deposit has been paid. It's 15c for your standard beer cans. Kicking off 1st Feb and transition period ends 1st June after which no unregistered stock is to be sold.

Online stores will be exempt as take back retailers, they just have to provide a link to where you can deposit your empties on their receipt. The deposit will be listed as an additional fee on the website and receipt, eg Can of Beer €3 + 15c Deposit. If you buy a can to drink on site at a bar, no deposit is paid.

TaurenDruid

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121263190#Comment_121263190

A slab of cans amounts to €3.00 in deposits; that'd be something of an incentive to recycle, no?

Technocentral

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121263289#Comment_121263289

Craft Beer does not come in "slabs".

thesandeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121263289#Comment_121263289

Bringing cans with drips in them back to the shop while trying to keep their shape will be awkward though.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121263289#Comment_121263289

To the group of people who still don't recycle despite pay by weight bins and still don't bring bags with them to the shop it probably won't no.

Its biggest outcome will be to punish home recyclers with a 15c levy or waste their time having to recycle somewhere else.

Might get the winos into a bit of street cleaning though.

Zaph

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121263418#Comment_121263418

It's not only the waste of time having to go off somewhere to recycle something that I already do routinely in my green bin, it's also having somewhere to store a load of empty cans without them getting crushed until I have enough to make it worth my while taking them off for recycling. Completely nonsense of an idea.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121257938#Comment_121257938

Another blow against the home drinker, why am I not surprised.

imacman

Here is a good site for all the latest Irish craft beer news and blogs https://beerrepublic.ie/

Pen Rua

This is all very interesting. If I have six beers over the course of Fri - Sun, that's less than €1 of a deposit I paid and am due back. Am I really going to go out of my way to go by a supermarket to drop off the cans for the sake of €1 - probably not. I'll probably continue to rinse the cans and recycle at home as normal, I suppose.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121263563#Comment_121263563

I'm not standing in a queue with a bag of sticky cans and feeding them into a machine. You know that machine will be broken half the time, or won't scan your cans if they're crumpled.

And then what? standing in another queue probably on the other side of the shop to turn your voucher into some poxy coins? All to recycle cans which I am already doing in my green bin?

I'll buy bottles and if there's a beer not offered in bottles I won't buy it

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121263787#Comment_121263787

Shocking that bottles and more importantly coffee cups are not in this scheme.

Better yet just have more recycling bins around. I am currently looking down a street full of unaccompanied general waste bins.