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Has Paddy Cosgrave overstepped the mark?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,291 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    He still owns the majority of the company even though he isn’t CEO so they can’t be seen to enrich him in anyway.

    This conference was a relic, it only existed because of PC’s good connections through his family and friends. No one else’s would ever gotten it off the ground.

    These companies were just looking for an excuse to quit it. They didn’t want to give PC an opportunity to lash out at them and for them to have to respond. This was the perfect time for them.

    A few big global PR firms do PR for all these top companies. It was a well coordinated exercise for them to withdraw for the event with no consequences to them.

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,085 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Rather who he spoke out against. If he had condemned the Turks or the Azeris very few would bat an eyelid

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Do you think that is true anymore? These days, all one can see is creeping annexation of the West Bank.Palestinian farmers are constantly losing land.

    We should beware of the demagogues who are ready to declare a trade war against our friends—weakening our economy, our national security, and the entire free world—all while cynically waving the American flag.


    Ronald Reagan, 26 November, 1988.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,055 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I am not really sure. Problem for the Palestinian's is by the 70 they would have taken the 1948 partition, by the 90's and noughties the would have accepted the borders if the 60's.

    In 2006 when they got the first half of a two state solution they left into power radical Islamist fundementalists who prevented Israel governments from continuing with the project and handing over power on the WB.

    Just as there was opposition to Netanyahu which looked likely to change the structure of government Hamas threw him a lifeline.

    How you change that mentality when you see video's of 7-10 year old Palestinian children expressing there hatred of Jews and saying they would kill them makes it hard to see a solution

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Nations are capable of tremendous change, not least because the people who make the decisions die off fairly quickly. The vital ingredient for the possibility of future reconciliation is to preserve contiguous territory in the West Bank that could serve as a future state. Unfortunately, there are many in Israel who want to prevent that and are working to take nearly all the West Bank at the moment. If the possibility of a state disappears then Arab nations should offer Palestinians full citizenship and stop treating them as hostages.

    We should beware of the demagogues who are ready to declare a trade war against our friends—weakening our economy, our national security, and the entire free world—all while cynically waving the American flag.


    Ronald Reagan, 26 November, 1988.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,055 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I agree that there are those in Israel against a Palestinian state. However there were offers that should have been accepted. The Hamas attack has probably upped the number against a Palestinian state by 15-20% over the 35-50%tipping point

    Post edited by Bass Reeves on

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    I don’t want to get into a quagmire of competing histories; we know where that gets us in Ireland. We see the history of proposed deals very much from an Israeli/American lens in the West. If you listen to the Palestinians on those negotiations they have a very different take on what was really offered, esp. in the more recent ones.

    A lasting settlement might take 50-100 years. I suspect the wave of Islamic hysteria may have waned by then but maybe not. If Israel paves the West Bank it settles the issue for centuries.

    We should beware of the demagogues who are ready to declare a trade war against our friends—weakening our economy, our national security, and the entire free world—all while cynically waving the American flag.


    Ronald Reagan, 26 November, 1988.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,055 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    They still signed a peace deal and took over the Gaza strip and then proceeded to attack Israel from it.

    As John hime said about the Good Friday agreement, it was "Sunningdale for slow learners''.

    A peace agreement seldom give you everything you want and if negotiating from a position of weakness less again. They got Gaza handed over and then proceeded to allow Hamas to take over and attack Israel.

    It easy to say people see it through a US/Israel lens, you could make exactly the same point about people that see the Palestinian attacks on Israel as justified they see it through a Palestinian lens.

    There is no point in signing a peace agreement you do not intend to abide by.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    Sorry, your saying the Israelis kept their part of the bargain after Oslo 1 and 2? In what world 😂 They never returned occupied land, instead they took more!!

    Yitzhak Rabin who signed for Israel was assassinated by the Israeli far right in 95 after Oslo 2. Israel’s current National Security Minister Itamar threatened him at the time, just before his death. Israel never wanted peace, they (the far right/nationalist Israelis) always wanted an excuse to wipe Palestine off the map.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    On Hamas in Gaza, I offer no defence at all. It’s as a perfectly horrible example of what happens when you let religious fanatics run a country into the ground. They had to find a way of creating trust with the Israelis and Egyptians and they went exactly the other way.

    We should beware of the demagogues who are ready to declare a trade war against our friends—weakening our economy, our national security, and the entire free world—all while cynically waving the American flag.


    Ronald Reagan, 26 November, 1988.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,976 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    Posting anti-Israeli messages, on Linkedin, with your profile showing you working for an Israeli owned company is the height of stupidity.

    Maybe Paddy can hire her as his social media manager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,687 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    This. I think everyone should refrain commenting on their social media particularly LinkedIn really.

    At the end of the you're only going to annoy one side or the other and it's your employment funeral.



  • Posts: 669 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It is particularly stupid. And I'm not sure any other tech companies will be in a rush to hire her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 geronimo123


    Do people think at all before they post stuff on Linkedin? And working for an Israeli tech company? He who pays the piper calls the tune...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,292 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    Why would tech companies like Microsoft and the others need an excuse? If they didn’t like the event they’d surely just say so?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,292 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    Why would they care about him “lashing out”? It isn’t like he would affect their profits.

    Just looking to understand the thinking.

    Also, how many people (Irish and others) lost their jobs when he moved it all to Lisbon?

    Is this why folks here don’t like him?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    They already started looking for donations a few weeks ago. Needless to say the majority of their "readers" will be handing over much cash anytime soon



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 44,265 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Look up his demands to our Taoiseach for public transport prioritization for his event along with his WiFi demands.

    You could also look up the employment tactics used notably their preference for people from Trinners and how much the lucky candidates earned!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,997 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    Speculation

    So if they didn't show up, it would be "Weird"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,852 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    His doxxing people, including posting their place of work online, for the crime of supporting a different political party to Paddy should be enough for anyone with a shred of decency to have a healthy dislike of tech Gemma



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,291 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    He has/had a huge following and they just want to avoid a twitter spat with him and having to waste company time and money dealing with it and media articles on it. It would be an unnecessary distraction. When they got the chance to make a clean break, they did. Just my thoughts, of course.

    I don’t understand how anyone ever took him seriously. Shilling €800 jumpers on stage, Wi-Fi that didn’t work at a tech conference (and it was someone else’s fault, of course), marching out 2 journalists who broke a minor regional political story at an international tech conference and heaping praise on them like they were Woodward and Bernstein much to the bemusement of the attendees, the list goes on and on.

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Take a look at what people post on social media in general. They seem to forget it’s public. And I wouldn’t be confident about anonymity anywhere on the Internet, including here. Globalization is going to expose people to a different set of rules about what they can and cannot say. No doubt China is getting some useful ideas from this controversy.

    We should beware of the demagogues who are ready to declare a trade war against our friends—weakening our economy, our national security, and the entire free world—all while cynically waving the American flag.


    Ronald Reagan, 26 November, 1988.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,291 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    These guys….who needs editors and experienced colleagues? They just get in the way of exposing ‘the truth’.

    No wonder they ended up publishing the articles that they did, nobody would risk talking to them! All they could do is run stories from FOI requests they submitted.

    A nobody junior minister that people in Meath would struggle to identify lied on a planning application 20 years ago. Stephen Donnelly (another nobody, who’ll be lucky to be re-elected) hasn’t paid his motor tax in 4 months (total liability of about €50).

    Who cares??

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    The real victim in this whole Web summit fiasco is Roman Shortall's landlord, he is never going to get paid now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,650 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Already happening. Several high profile US sports stars got in trouble for perceived anti-China comments and had to make grovelling apologies.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    I was the speed and decisiveness at which Google, Meta, IBM, VW, Stripe, Amazon etc acted in withdrawing - at cost and inconvenience to themselves, having planned and probably paid a lot - following Cosgrave's political comments. Some would say he did not even say anything very contentious. He did not even have Palestinian flags on his website and Palestinian Freedom t-shirts and badges for sale on his website, like a well known leading political party here has. And unlike them he probably even never met Hamas. And yet the multinationals and some speakers etc dropped him like a hot potato and want nothing more to do with him / his events....even after his grovelling apology and resignation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,638 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    O don't know or care much about him but he was 100% right about Israel. They are just as bad as Hamas but have more power.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,328 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Web summit Co founders want him to sell his 81% ownership of the summit. Which is completely fair I think as even if he's quit as ceo and resigned from the board anyone choosing to do business is still directly benefitting to his wallet as the majority owner so many may still not want to touch the summit with that consequence.



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