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DCM 2023 Mentored Novices Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,719 ✭✭✭rovers_runner


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭Legits


    Hi All,

    Training is still going well feeling a bit meh with the reduced volume and effort. I have kept the paces easy but have had a few niggles soelus and tibia muscle on the other leg. I have committed to taking it ultra easy this week Physio thinks it could just be the build up from the past few weeks and are only overuse/tendonitis type injuries.

    Have my race gear ready to go this is my first taper and to be honest I already feel refreshed already so just need to deal with the mental side of feeling like I am becoming detrained.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 177 ✭✭MiniMonstera


    Excellent idea re tights and girls leggings as arm warmers @Murph_D and @DBB ! I have eleventy million pairs of each 😁

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,343 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    How's everyone feeling so far this week?

    Nervous energy definitely is building up for me!

    I don't think it it has anything to do with the tapering as it's been a fairly typical week so far, or at least it's only been 2k in total less than some weeks in the block were at this point, I think it's just anticipation that it's so close!

    I said I'd try out a pair of the arm sleeves, so I have ones arriving tomorrow. While I also have eleventy million pairs of kids leggins here, my kids are too small! They were fairly cheap on Amazon anyways.

    Probably won't wear them for the marathon at this point, but it's definitely getting harder to motivate myself to get out in the cold and rain, so any bit of comfort would be nice 😅.

    Probably more of a concern for post marathon as I only have 4 training runs left and a 20min shake out run next Saturday.

    Someone on the run group shared an image that had the sentiment that

    "the marathon is made up of the 100s or maybe 1000s of KM, the finish is the last 42.2"

    At least for me it's just 23k left to get to the finish!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,517 ✭✭✭Sunny Dayz


    Feeling a bit nervous now that it's almost upon us. I've been grand the last few months - the marathon was always in the future, down the road. But now I have that feeling - you know when you keep putting something off until you get to the stage where you can put it off no longer - ya that's me!!

    Someone asked me this morning do I feel ready, do I feel I've enough training done? And my answer was yes I think so. I've followed the plan as laid out by my club, have missed the odd run but I don't think I've missed any long runs. I don't think I've ever followed a training plan as well as I have done this past 4 months. If I've followed the plan, then surely I must be ready. There's nothing more I can do.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭Legits


    Feeling a bit nervous after this mornings run the 10k was a bigger slog than it should have been I did it at an avg pace of 5:56 with an avg hr of 144bpm. On the 31st of August before alot of my harder longer runs I did the same run with the same hr in 5:33 pace.

    Is it common to lose some tempo speed in Marathon training im nervous now ive been running too slow I know its been said many times thats not possible but I think I managed it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,808 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    Don't be worrying. Slow easy runs do you no harm whatsoever, the opposite is the truth.

    Paces can vary hugely when running by HR. I do it myself and can vouch for the fact. There are so many factors which influence HR on any given day.

    Also, don't forget to allow for the fact that you are just over the peak training weeks. The next 10 days will return the freshness to the legs and body.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭T-Bird


    Well darn you @witnessmenow 🤣 I just went on to Amazon and got some sleeves and rain ponchos 🤣... They were only cheap but I do see them quite often when I'm at other races.

    I think I had slight withdrawal symptoms earlier in the week from not running as my sleep has gotten bad again. I am deliberately taking the rest/recovery days off but feel at a loss a bit. I have strides this evening so might help a bit.

    I did last weeks 3 8k runs in 3 different pairs of shoes and know what I'm wearing on the day now, so that's sorted.

    The RDS is a bit of a pest coming from Sligo. We are going to stay a couple of nights in Swords and I'll be going up from their on the day so have to look at that. My wife says there are a few options, I will look nearer the time.

    I'm trying not to think of nerves and am trying to keep them at bay. I suffer quite a bit from stress and anxiety so my tactic to get around it is to try to switch it off, otherwise it will keep me awake at night.. However, saying all that, I 'm looking forward to it big time..

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,343 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    Does this make me a running influencer I hear so much about?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭j2


    The great thing about running I've noticed in my few races so far is that nerves can be at boiling point, but once the event actually starts I find they disappear immediately, which is definitely not the case with more skill based sports! Also I think nerves leading into the race have something to do with the fabled race day boost, it kind of gives you a bit of added endurance. Bring on the nerves basically.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 177 ✭✭MiniMonstera


    I think the best thing to do with pre race nerves is to lean into them. Enjoy them. View them as fuel. Embrace the adrenalin surge. Jump on the spot whilst you're in the pit waiting to go! I actually love pre race nerves (the ones right before the gun), the atmosphere and feelings are unreal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 177 ✭✭MiniMonstera


    I must admit I'm having a few intrusive thoughts about toilets on the day. Still need to sit down and look at the route and see where they're located etc. I'm having a real dilemma to caffeine or not to caffeine the morning of (double espresso). It's risky but its could also address the issue and thus relieve anxiety about it...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭T-Bird


    I have similar problems but will be taking imodium the day before and on the morning. No guaranteeing it will work but a few on HealthUnlocked have recommended it. I've taken it a few times on other races. However, I wouldn't recommend it for the day if you haven't taken it before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭TheRef


    Sorry if anyone is having dinner. Obviously "the woods" is not quite the same as the middle of Crumlin Road, but interesting points about fiber and immodium.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,482 ✭✭✭Lazare


    I noticed my HR to be higher than normal during my taper (I just ran Amsterdam). I think it's possible that the taper itself can cause it, your body is in full on recovery mode. Add to that the general taper madness/anxiety.

    Basically, don't worry about it, it's probably a sign you're doing the right thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 177 ✭✭MiniMonstera


    I should have really tested out Imodium. Annoyed with myself now. Will definitely limit fiber a day or two before and maybe steer clear of caffeine also, rather than utilising it



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,810 Mod ✭✭✭✭DBB


    Did any of ye that are martyrs to your tummies have a listen to the Lusk AC podcast that was posted on the DCM Strava account today?

    There was a sports nutritionist on, and whilst I was not in agreement with everything she said, she outlined a number of things to avoid in the days leading up to, and on the day of the marathon.

    They included one we all know... fibre.

    Also fructose (this one surprised me)... and foods that are very rich in fructose include honey (yep, the stuff we all lash onto the porridge 🤯), apples, pears, mangoes. Honey can be replaced with maple syrup.

    She recommended switching to lactose-free milk in the lead-up, just to eliminate lactose as a common digestive irritant. This us also going to mean avoiding soft cheese, and cream. Hard cheeses, good quality yoghurt, and butter are very, very low in lactose having gone through fermentation or processes that burn up lactose.

    And caffeine... not to be taken unless you know you're OK with it.

    She also recommended avoiding pasta, as it is inclined to cause bloating. Instead, she suggested spuds, rice, breakfast cereals that you know you're okay with, home-made flapjacks (without honey), crumpets, pancakes, and our old favourite, Tuc and Ritz crackers 😋

    She also recommended taking care not to fill yourself with protein when it's suitable carbs we need to load up on.

    Hopefully there's something here that might help anyone here with gastro issues! I totally get your worries, my first DCM was badly hampered by my tummy, so I've gone through quite a long learning process which has included implementing all of the above (apart from the honey part!), as it happens!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭bazwaldo


    Are there any designated places where spectators/pedestrians can cross the road?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,808 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    The only place there are issues crossing the road is the finishing straight on Mount Street



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,343 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    My arm sleeve things arrived today, I could definitely see them being useful as they are very easy to roll down.

    I went out for my run very early this morning , I just woke up very early and it wasn't worth going back to sleep. It was surprisingly warm.

    Not sure how much we can trust the forecast this far out, but it looks like it could be wet. I don't really mind running in the rain, I'd take rain over heat for sure. Not sure any of my very long runs were in the rain, so be interesting to see how that works out!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 770 ✭✭✭MisterJinx


    I think it will be the middle of next week before we are really sure on the weather. It's also not something we can control. Based on the last few months I think we've probably all run in all the weathers :-)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭bazwaldo


    I've been hit with loads of niggles in the last couple of weeks, some more worrying than others. Hoping that taking it very easy this week along with my first ever deep tissue massage this morning will help. I might keep runs to 5km and just every couple of days to keep things moving and try some light beginner yoga. I need to make it the start line and be able to finish. Too much has gone into it to fall at this point. Time goal is out the window to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 770 ✭✭✭MisterJinx


    ah no, just focus and the rest and recovery. It's not uncommon to feel a lot of niggles at this stage though, not all of them real to be honest. And remember you're coming off a big training block so the body is essentially re-adjusting to a more normal level of activity so some aches and pains could be expected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24 MECA


    Same here.. physio yesterday for a niggle in my foot. Recommended to stay off it for another 2-3 days. On top of that I had to have a wisdom tooth out on Wednesday as it was infected. Everything was all too good to be true before this week…

    Haven’t run now since Tuesday morning and I I’m imagining cobwebs and rust all over my muscles and joints 😩😩😩.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 177 ✭✭MiniMonstera


    I wouldn't be bothered by rain either. But if it was torrential I'd deffo be carrying my bodyglide. Rain chafe for 42km would not be appealing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,022 ✭✭✭Kellygirl


    Relax and allow yourself recover. I’d a back tooth removed during the summer and was not allowed any exercise for the week after. Go for gentle walks or cycles (whichever you are allowed) and get fresh air and you can do a few runs to sharpen you up closed to marathon day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 kevinfkennedy


    Taper Traps

    Don't get caught making these common mistakes in the weeks before your big race

    BY DAVE KUEHLSPUBLISHED: SEP 6, 2006


    SAVE ARTICLE

    Three-time marathoner Kris Kelley, 37, of Akron, Ohio, knows that the toughest part of marathon training isn't the first few weeks out the door. Or the slow grinding buildup of mileage. Or even the last sweat-soaked long run of 23 miles, three weeks before the race. No, Kelley knows that the toughest part of marathon training is after all that, when she is walking across the parking lot at Target, and suddenly a sharp pain strikes in her right knee. And there she is, trying to hold back a panic attack. "Never does a pain like that occur in the middle of intense training," she says. "But there is something about those last couple of weeks before the marathon, when you are cutting back your mileage, getting more rest, and preparing for the big race, when everything, and I do mean everything, seems to bother you more."


    Call them taper tantrums--the phantom pains, panic attacks, and much more--that plague most marathoners during the three-week period of decreased training just before the race. "Runners develop not only a physical but also a psychological dependency on running," says Troy Smurawa, M.D., a 2:46 marathoner and physician at Akron Children's Hospital Sports Medicine Center. "So when runners take time off, they go through withdrawal." Hence, the weird constellation of mental and physical symptoms that crop up during the taper.


    Thing is, if you know what to expect as you back off your training, you'll be better equipped to survive your taper and arrive at the marathon starting line feeling rested and ready to run. To that end, we've outlined the most common mental and physical problems associated with the taper, when they're likely to occur, and how to deal with them so that you can relax, and, dare we say, enjoy your weeks of rest--not to mention race day.



    THREE WEEKS TO GO


    Trap: Craving Carbs


    Symptoms: The urge to stuff yourself with high-carbohydrate foods to ensure a vast supply of energy for the marathon.


    Cause: "During those last three weeks, marathoners tend to think only carbs, carbs, carbs," says Vince Rucci, head of the Vertical Runner Marathon Training Group in Hudson, Ohio. But shoveling down the carbs, particularly at the expense of other important nutrients like protein, will make you feel bloated and will accelerate--and inflate--the normal water-weight gain associated with a taper


    Solution: During your taper, slightly modify the carbohydrate-based diet you've maintained throughout your marathon training. "Simply emphasize the carbs already in your diet," says Nancy Clark, R.D., a sports nutritionist in Boston. "For example, instead of having chicken with rice, have rice with chicken." Clark recommends taking in 55 to 65 percent of your calories from carbohydrates, 10 to 15 percent from protein, and 20 to 30 percent from fat. Ensure the proteins are low in fat, such as chicken, fish, lean meats, beans, and legumes. 

    Trap: The Impulse to Cram


    Symptoms: The sudden, irrational urge to "cram" in extra miles and more long runs, speedwork, and other quality marathon training during your taper, especially early on when your body is feeling primed for peak performance.


    Cause: "Runners tend to be focused and goal-driven," says Kate Hays, Ph.D., the director of the Toronto Marathon Psyching Team, which offers peak-performance strategies to marathoners. "When they enter a stressful situation, such as the last weeks before a marathon, they rely on actions that have been proven to get results--like the cramming we all did before tests when we were in school." But while all that extra, last-minute studying may have helped you ace a college exam, additional training during your taper will only leave you feeling exhausted come race day.


    Solution: "Rational thinking helps," says Hays. Realize that extra mileage and harder training at this point will hurt your marathon, not help it. Research has shown that those who taper properly perform better than those who train right up until race day. To convince yourself that you've done all the work necessary to run a good race, review your training log thoroughly, noting all the weeks of high mileage, long runs, and tough workouts. And no matter how short and easy your runs get during the taper, keep recording your workouts in your log to reinforce the feeling that you are studiously sticking to the plan.



    Trap: Pressure to Perform


    Symptoms: The overwhelming fear that the time goal you've set and trained for diligently is now somehow much too ambitious (what were you thinking?). 


    Cause: Once your peak training is over, it gets harder to feel confident in your abilities to maintain your goal pace. Many marathoners obsess on the five- or 10-minute gap between their goal time and the time they "fear" they might actually run--for example, crossing the line in 4:10, not 4:00, which would somehow make the marathon a failure.


    Solution: Insert a couple marathon-pace miles in the middle of some runs during your taper (say two to three miles at marathon pace part-way through a couple of eight-milers) to reinforce confidence in your ability to hold that pace. You should also develop an alternative time goal that you can live with that's five or 10 minutes slower than your ideal goal in case the weather on race day--or your body--just doesn't cooperate.

    TWO WEEKS TO GO


    Trap: Recovery Rebound


    Symptoms: A feeling of strength and complete fitness midway through the taper. Your body is itching to race.


    Cause: As your mileage starts to decline after your last heavy training week, your body rebounds. The added rest and the four good months of training you have behind you have strengthened your body and your confidence. 


    Solution: No matter how good you feel, don't risk your months of marathon training for a PR or an age-group award at a local 10-K. A strained hamstring that plagues you throughout your marathon could be the subsequent door prize. Instead, re-read your marathon application to get yourself psyched for the big day. And meet with your training buddies for coffee to discuss marathon-day strategies. Also, find something active and productive to do on Saturday or Sunday mornings--say cutting the grass--to take your mind off of racing. Or if you must be around runners, volunteer at a local race. The energy there will give you your "race fix" without ruining your marathon chances.


    Trap: Phantom Pains


    Symptoms: A totally new pain in the foot, knee, hip, back, or insert-any-body-part here that strikes for no apparent reason.


    Cause: Twinges and passing aches are all part of the body's rejuvenation process. "During a taper, tissue repair on the microscopic level causes muscle twitches and sometimes muscle cramps as the body adapts," says Dr. Smurawa. Also, when we run less, and worry more about our marathon, everyday aches and pains-which would normally be ignored--get exaggerated to the point of lunacy.


    Solution: Think of each phantom pain as a signal that the body is healing itself and preparing you for the marathon. Since your workouts are now shorter, spend some extra time on your favorite stretches to help relax your body. And if you like whirlpools or long baths, indulge. Also, if you've had massages during other parts of your training, get one this week. It will further aid the healing process.

    Trap: Panic Attacks


    Symptoms: Every time you feel an ache or start to think about some aspect of the race, you jump to a doomsday conclusion. (I have a stress fracture! The hill at mile nine is going to be the end of me!) 


    Cause: Most panic attacks stem from a lack of confidence and a fear of the unknown. "This is a particular problem for first-time marathoners," says Hays. If you've never run a marathon before, or you've never run a particular marathon course, you have no experience to draw from to boost your confidence. 


    Solution: Collect all the information you can about the racecourse from your registration materials, the race's Web site, and even personal insight from those who have run it in previous years. If possible, run parts of the course or ride the whole thing. Some races offer guided bus tours of their marathon route the day or two before the event. Knowing everything you can about that hill at mile nine will help you conquer it. You can also come up with solutions to problems that might arise during the marathon, such as how you'll handle a blister or a side stitch, so that you know you'll be prepared to overcome any obstacle.



    ONE WEEK TO GO


    Trap: Heavy Legs


    Symptoms: A tired, heavy feeling centered in the legs, but affecting your whole body, that you get late in a taper. 


    Cause: "Tissue repair in the legs during recovery, coupled with the fact that you are storing more carbohydrate and water late in the taper, will make you feel like you do after eating a big meal," says Dr. Smurawa. In other words, you feel like a slug.


    Solution: Remember you're not the only one feeling this way. "Just knowing that this is how tapering marathoners are supposed to feel can help curb your anxiety," says Robert Udewitz, Ph.D., a sports psychologist and the director of Behavior Therapy of New York. Also, try a few strides (100-meter sprints) after some of your easy runs. Strides can help knock off the rust, leaving you feeling fresh and ready without overdoing it.


    Trap: That Sinking Feeling


    Symptoms: A feeling of malaise, depression, and hopelessness, which often accompanies the physical sluggishness that intensifies at the end of a taper.


    Cause: "Generally, running counters feelings of anxiety and depression," says Hays. "So as you run less miles, bad feelings tend to crop back up and increase." 


    Solution: Take a short-term approach. "You only have to get through the rest of the taper," says Hays. Do a little low-impact and low-intensity cross-training--like pool running--to generate the good feelings you normally get from running. Also, use your downtime to focus on other things that bring pleasure to your life, such as listening to music, cooking, and being with family and friends. And rent some funny movies or read a few joke books to lighten your mood.

    Trap: Weight Gain


    Symptoms: A couple of additional pounds that show up on the scale at the end of a taper.


    Cause: When we eat high-carbohydrate foods to stock our glycogen (energy) reserves, water is stored along with the glycogen. "If you have been chronically dehydrated, that extra water can cause some gain in weight during a marathon taper, since you're running less and not sweating as much," says Clark. 


    Solution: Realize that the extra "water weight" will be beneficial during the marathon. It will actually help keep you better hydrated on race day, when it will be released as the glycogen is burned. But you can also do a few practical things to help you cope with this temporary weight gain. Don't weigh yourself during the three-week taper period. And if the feeling of tighter-than-normal clothes causes you anxiety, wear clothes with more forgiving waistbands and drawstrings.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,517 ✭✭✭Sunny Dayz


    This time next week we’ll be all go! 😄 I should be not long arrived in Dublin getting ready to head from the car to baggage area….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,343 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    "I need to lay out what I need for my marathon next week".... not a sentence I ever thought I'd be saying



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭T-Bird


    I have the bulk of mine done. I'll walk into town during lunch tomorrow and get supply of gels.I have Clif Bloks and KMC energy bars to munch on.

    I'll probably pack a lot of other stuff I don't need but always like to have options for my runs.



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