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Domestic Solar PV Quotes 2022 - No PM requests - See Mod note post #1

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,225 ✭✭✭ratracer


    Three quotes I received in Galway, for an E/W split:

    1) 16x Recom Panels (6.7kw), 5.5kw Solis Inverter, 5.3kw Waco battery, Eddi: €13,300 ( €10,800 after grant) BER not included ( €2,500 less without battery)

    2) 18 x Jinko panels ( 7.74kw), Huawei inverter, Eddi €11,800 (€9,400 after grant) BER not inckuded

    3) 16x Bisol panels (6.4kw), Alpha 5kw inverter, Eddi, 10.1kw Alpha battery.€14,650 ( €12,250 after grant)

    Is the battery a good option to have?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,010 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Thanks,

    What kind of price you think i should be paying for 12 panels, not much difference in last few quotes, have things just got crazy lately. Anyone around Clare, Galway, limerick recommend someone decent.



  • Registered Users Posts: 763 ✭✭✭tonysopprano


    Use this link and input your quotes and press advise. Then read the notes in the box to get you onto the right track


    If you can do the job, do it. If you can't do the job, just teach it. If you really suck at it, just become a union executive or politician.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,010 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    What do you make of the quote below seems to be a lot more competitive anyway.


    Modules- 430w Jinko panels with 25-year product warranty and 30-year linear power warranty.

    10 x 430w Jinko panels Monocrystalline = 4.3kwp system

    Inverter –Solis 5kw hybrid

    1x 5kw Solis inverter with wifi dongle

    Mounting Kit- Renosol ground mount

    As Required

    Check Meter-

    1x check meter

    Scaffolding

    As required

    All required Electrical Work

    1x DC ISOLATOR

    1x AC ISOLATOR

    1x Fireman switch

    Batteries- Dyness

    1 x 5.1kwh Dyness battery

    Solar Switch- for heating hot water through the solar panels with surplus power

    N/A (Have solar tubes already)

    All required Paperwork for commissioning the system

    Included

    Customer to get own BER post Install


    Solar PV Grand Total (Zero rate VAT) €9,824.00

    Deposit - €2,000.00

    SEAI grant allowance- €2,400.00

    (Customer to apply initially)

    Balance- €5,424.00



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  • Registered Users Posts: 311 ✭✭PressTheButton


    16 x Jinko Tiger Neo N-type 430W panels (6.88kW over two aspects), 5kW Solis hybrid inverter + wi-fi dongle, mounting, scaffolding as required, all required electrical work incl. isolators and fireman’s switch @ €9,180.

    … €6,780 after SEAI €2,400 grant.

    No battery for now. No EDDI. BER not included.

    In addition to the above: Zappi EV home charger @ €1,400 incl.VAT. Qualifies for separate €600 grant.



  • Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭Seventy Plus


    This whole business is a Rip Off operation spurred on by the Grant (We would be better off without the grants).

    I am looking for 11 Panels and a Hybrid Inverter (just in case I go for a battery down the road); I do not think that people should go for a Diverter as you can always switch the immersion on and off; alternative types of battery should be cheaper in the long run.

    At the moment I have 27 quotes ranging from 6,500 to 10,200; I ignore the Grant because this is what you will be handing over to the Installers.

    An average quote is around 8,500; and I am now looking closely at those between 6,500 and 7,500 (in due course I will detail here).

    The Ideal Homes Show which is Free is on in the RDS Dublin this weekend and 18 Solar PV Installers are included amongst the Exhibitors.

    I intend to put these people through their paces and I recommend others to do so as well.



  • Registered Users Posts: 763 ✭✭✭tonysopprano


    The value of the grant for this size array would be 2400. Using the rule of thumb of €1000 per kW of panels, €420 per kWh of battery, that should be about €6442 for that system (after grant). But it's only a rule of thumb. Just don't go above €1300 per kW of panels and €550 per kWh battery (ex VAT), which would give you €8395 after grant. Your quote of €7424 is at the upper end of the recommended range. Get a few more quotes..

    If you can do the job, do it. If you can't do the job, just teach it. If you really suck at it, just become a union executive or politician.



  • Registered Users Posts: 763 ✭✭✭tonysopprano


    The value of the grant for this size array would be 2400. Using the rule of thumb of €1000 per kW of panels, €420 per kWh of battery, that should be about €6880 for that system (after grant). That's a fantastic quote, go for it!

    If you can do the job, do it. If you can't do the job, just teach it. If you really suck at it, just become a union executive or politician.



  • Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭sligopaul


    how long before providers all start dropping the rate on feed in, Flogas have signalled a drop from 22(ex vat) to 18.5 in November and others will start to follow suit as the market matures and there is more capacity from solar. While a battery may be marginal for most people at the moment. having a hybrid inverter is a must



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  • Registered Users Posts: 150 ✭✭Lombardo123


    Have been given 2 more quotes: (We are an under average use household currently (~3500kWh a year)

    Quote 1:

    • 5.64kW system
    • 12 x 470w Jinko Solar Tiger Neo panels
    • 1 Hybrid Inverter 4Kw (Sofar solar)
    • 1 Battery 5kW (Sofarsolar)
    • 4 optimisers.
    • They are offering immersion switch timer instead of EDDI (for "free")
    • Covering the BER

    Cost without battery: 13,300 - 2,400 = 10,900 cost to me (expensive battery!)

    Cost with battery: 10,350 - 2,400 = 7,950 cost to me.


    Quote 2:

    • 4.3kW system
    • 10 x 430w Jinko Black Solar panels
    • 1 Hybrid Inverter & battery 5kW (livoltek)
      • Never been offered all-in-one before.
    • Covering the BER and NC6 application

    Cost: 9,847 - 2,400 = 7,447 cost to me

    Provided a nice fancy spreadsheet where they estimated i could save 1900kWh a year



  • Registered Users Posts: 266 ✭✭DrPsychia


    Same crowd quoted me for the following system.

    Based in Dublin.

    Company 1:

    10 x Denim Glass to Glass Bi Facial or similar, Mono Crystalline 430Wp (505Wp with Rear Side) PV Module (with 35-year warranty output & 35-year warranty product) – EU Made

    1 x SolarEdge Inverter (with 12 years warranty)

    10 x SolarEdge S440 Power Optimiser (with Arc protection & 25 years warranty) 1 x SolarEdge Import / Export meter

    1 x Eddi/SolarEdge Hot Water Diverter (with 3 years Labour and Parts Warranty) 1 x 4 Pole Fireman Switch

    1 x Electrical Materials, Fuses, etc...

    1 x Full Install and Grid Commission

    1 x Wi-Fi Kit and Free Monitoring Portal for Life

    1 x SEAI Grant Paperwork Management Including BER Assessment for the Grant.

    5 Years Labour Warranty + 5 Years Comprehensive Parts Service Warranty

    No battery

    Total(ex grant ex VAT) €11,300

    Total(Inc Grant & VAT) €8,400

    OPTIONAL:

    10kW SolarEdge Battery €8500 with full supply and install including Wall / Floor Mount, SolarEdge Hub Inverter and Accessories


    Company 2:

    3.2Kwp 8 panel roof mounted system including all black panels, inverter and wi-fi monitoring.

    5Kw Pure Drive Battery

    Total( ex Grant): €13,549.87

    Total(inc Grant) €11,389.87


    Company 3:

    10 x 430w Jinko (25 year warrant inc parts & labour)

    1 x Hybrid inverter (Solis)(10 year warrant inc parts & labour)

    1 x Eddi

    App monitoring - Yes

    No battery included

    optional: 7.5kWh battery €7300

    Total (Ex grant) €8,163

    Total(Inc Grant) €5753

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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,010 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Latest quote i got, strange battery is adding so much to it


    The ECO PREMIUM PACK will include the following: 


    •   10 x 400w panels 

    •   Hybrid inverter 

    •   5kwh battery storage 

    •   Roof mounting equipment 

    •   All labour works

    •   All electrical testing and commissioning 

    •   Online monitoring to see each day exactly what your system is producing

    •   BER 


    RRP

    € 11,700.00 Cost. 0% VAT Offer

    € 2,400.00 SEAI Grant

    € 9,300.00 Final Cost to Customer.

    🎃Halloween Discount €1000 - reducing your final price to €8,300👻


    The ECO PLUS PACK will include the following:


    •   10 x 400w panels 

    •   Hybrid inverter 

    •   Roof mounting equipment 

    •   All labour works

    •   All electrical testing and commissioning 

    •   Online monitoring to see each day exactly what your system is producing

    •   BER


    RRP

    €  7,700.00     Cost. 0% VAT Offer

    € 2,400.00     SEAI Grant

    € 5,300.00     Final Cost.

     🎃Halloween Discount €500 - reducing your final price to €4,800 👻


    I have listed all the makes of the equipment we use bellow:


    Hybrid Inverter: Solis

    Battery 5kw: Pure Drive

    Panels: Leapton, plain black, monocrystalline silicon cells



  • Registered Users Posts: 150 ✭✭Lombardo123


    Quote 2:

    • 4.3kW system
    • 10 x 430w Jinko Black Solar panels
      • 1 Hybrid Inverter & battery 5kW (livoltek)Never been offered all-in-one before.
    • Covering the BER and NC6 application

    Cost: 9,847 - 2,400 = 7,447 cost to me

    Provided a nice fancy spreadsheet where they estimated i could save 1900kWh a year

    Update: This crowd followed up today and sensed i was a little cagey with the quote - offered me 10% off it.

    Updated cost: Cost: 8886 - 2,400 = 6,486 cost to me



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,954 ✭✭✭con747


    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Registered Users Posts: 150 ✭✭Lombardo123




  • Registered Users Posts: 763 ✭✭✭tonysopprano


    The value of the grant for this size array would be 2400. Using the rule of thumb of €1000 per kW of panels, €420 per kWh of battery, that should be about €6526 for that system (after grant). That's a fantastic quote, go for it!

    davidhunt.ie/solar

    If you can do the job, do it. If you can't do the job, just teach it. If you really suck at it, just become a union executive or politician.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,954 ✭✭✭con747


    You can enter the panel details and orientation here https://re.jrc.ec.europa.eu/pvg_tools/en/tools.html to get an idea of how much generation to expect. If you have more than 1 orientation do them separately. Another handy one to look at is https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.gr.java_conf.siranet.sunshine

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭Seventy Plus


    The Quote that I am looking for is for 11 Panels and a Hybrid Inverter.

    All prices in Euro and BEFORE grant

    At Self Build in Belfast I got:

    6,500 JAM 425, 5K Givenergy hybrid inverter Gen 3 and including BER

    7,000 Jinko 435w and 5K Solis hybrid inverter

    Today at Ideal Homes in Dublin I got quotes up to 13,500

    6,300 Jinko 435w or Bauer, Solis or Sofar hybrid inverter and including BER

    6,500 Trina 415w, Solis hybrid inverter, and including BER



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,564 ✭✭✭deezell


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,099 ✭✭✭mathie


    Getting panels installed by a company and its taking quite the while.

    On the day of the panel install they said we need a "tails upgrade".

    It then takes three weeks for them to come out to do that.

    When they eventually get here they look at the fuse box and say "we can't do the tails upgrade without the ESB on site". (even though I asked them if the ESB needed to be here when they do that)

    So that day they "submitted their cert" to Safe Electric and "have to wait up to two weeks" for them to give us the all clear to call the ESB to schedule a call out.

    Am I being spun a yarn or is that the process?

    Almost six weeks since they put the panels on the roof now.

    Thanks

    M



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,954 ✭✭✭con747


    ESBN are the only ones that can upgrade the tails AFAIK. Mine needed doing as well and took about 2 weeks for them to do it.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭elgicko


    Anything to do with the meter has to be done by ESB networks. It is an offence for an electrician to break the seal.

    ESB networks will only do works on the meter, if the house is up to code and they have a SAFE cert.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,099 ✭✭✭mathie


    Thanks guys.

    Does the "it takes two weeks for Safe Electric to process a cert only when they do that you can call ESBN to arrange them to come out" sound reasonable?



  • Registered Users Posts: 824 ✭✭✭HotSwap


    Related advice: when they are doing the job; don’t let them run the new tails directly from the meter to the consumer unit. You will have no way of safely totally isolating your unit indoors. Make sure they install an additional dual pole rotary isolation switch and also an MCB inline on the live.


    it should look like this:





  • Registered Users Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Louche Lad


    We've had a quote of €6300 for a 4.3 kWp system, no battery.

    I've put the numbers into David Hunt's calculator which indicates it's excessive ("€1400 beyond what I'd consider ballpark, and €110 beyond the upper limit of value. Look elsewhere."). But I don't know whether that calculator is up to date with current costs.

    Also, I've tried the SEAI calculator which maybe indicates a payback period of 8 years. But I'm not sure what they mean by their Question 5 "please enter the amount here (total cost excluding the SEAI grant but including VAT)". Do they mean after the grant has been subtracted, or before?*

    Here's a list of the hardware. What do you think?

    • Panels
      • Jinko Solar Co., Ltd.
      • 4.300 kW Total Solar Power 
      • 10 x 430 Watt Panels (JKM430N-54HL4R-B)
      • 3,527 kWh per year
    • Inverter
      • Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd.
      • 4.000 kW Total Inverter Rating
      • 1 x SUN2000-4KTL-L1

    Eco-Smart Energy Diverter

    • 3.68 kW eco-smart energy diverter
    • 230V AC Single Phase
    • Rated Current - 16A
    • Stand Power Consumption - 3W
    • Weight - 4.3 kg
    • 1 x Eddi


  • Registered Users Posts: 763 ✭✭✭tonysopprano


    The smaller the system the more expensive it seems. Fixed costs like 2x installers, scaffolding/hoist etc, cost the same for a 4.3 system as they do for a 14.3 system.

    Huawei items are expensive and limit you to their or LG batteries

    Is EDDI really needed?. Compare cost of heating now.

    The 1 x SUN2000-4KTL-L1 is a hybrid inverter suitable for battery useage, a non-hybrid is a few hundred cheaper

    If you can do the job, do it. If you can't do the job, just teach it. If you really suck at it, just become a union executive or politician.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭kaymin


    Received a quote of €10,573 (before grant of €2,400) for the following - David Hunt calculator stated that 'Your quote of €8173 is at the lower end of the recommended range. Go for it.'

    Wondering whether I will be able to sell to the grid with this set-up?

    Also, I have a Ideal Logic Combi gas boiler which provides instant hot water - I've no hot water cylinder so presumably I will have to have a hot water cylinder re-installed to avail of the hot water heated through solar panels.


    Modules- 430w Jinko panels with 25-year product warranty and 30-year linear power warranty: 12 x 430w Jinko panels Monocrystalline = 5.1kwp system 

    Inverter –Solis 5kw hybrid: 1x 5kw Solis inverter with wifi dongle

    Mounting Kit- Renosol ground mount: As Required

    Check Meter- 1x check meter

    Scaffolding: As required

    All required Electrical Work 1x DC ISOLATOR; 1x AC ISOLATOR; 1x Fireman switch

    Batteries- Dyness 1 x 5.1kwh Dyness battery

    Solar Switch- for heating hot water through the solar panels with surplus power

    1 x Eddi

    BER not included



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