Domestic Solar PV Quotes 2022 - No PM requests - See Mod note post #1

con747

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121165742#Comment_121165742

I would take it by the posters name they are elderly, maybe I'm way off the mark but it still looks like you were not really being nice with you're opening comment. "Which one are you then, Grumpy? Sleepy?"

deezell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121166672#Comment_121166672

I've been around the block alright. Well deduced. Sorry about the choice of alternative Snow White personnel. They were the only other ones I could remember. I'll have to Google the Grimm brothers, or Walt Disney.

tonysopprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121166672#Comment_121166672

So being elderly can circumvent forum rules, and can name companies and suppliers. Good to know for future posts.

I'm not happy and subesquent replies, on whatever fora, a well established criteria and counter (tongue in cheek)

con747

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121167161#Comment_121167161

K&N are or used to be a telecommunications contractor and must be affiliated with one of the energy suppliers who are jumping on the gravy chain but I stand to be corrected on that. It's only suppliers that cannot be named.

HappySolar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121167200#Comment_121167200

KN still do telco stuff. They've plenty of work for themselves there ha.

They must have saw the €€€ signs with the Solar

deezell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121167161#Comment_121167161

Whoa! He named KN, not I ! Unless he's a codger also ....

con747

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121167283#Comment_121167283

You do know this is a quotes thread? Not a smart arse thread yeah?

DC999

Circet (renamed from KN) are contracted installers for a load of stuff. Replacing telephone poles, smart meters, broadband.... So I'd guess they are now contracting installs for some solar company based on the OP. In my mind, that's likely a good thing as they are likely all trained to work at height. And I know they have an installer training center, so you'd hope quality is decent. I don't work for them but I know of them through work (but nothing to do with solar). I'm not pro nor con them. 

Citroen2cv

I have received 2 quotes so far (subject to survey) and am expecting another that will come after a survey.

House is small semi-detached with Hip roof with east and west facing elevations. Heating is a 15yr old Air Source Heatpump. Ber is B2. We have had some big electricity bills last winter -1000euro :-(

I asked for just Panels and hybrid inverter in the quotes as I cant stretch budget for a battery yet and am thinking the family are usually in the house during peak generation hours for east and west panels.

HotSwap

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121170810#Comment_121170810

If cost important you’re not going to like the price when it comes time to add a battery to that huawei inverter. But I’d say defo try to get 8 panels or more if possible. The second price is good considering it’s including an eddi.

dumb_parade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121171730#Comment_121171730

just bough a huawei battery from senetic for 2350 delivered, now I already have a 5kw battery and the bms, but the prices seems to be dropping.

HotSwap

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121171779#Comment_121171779

5kWh Luna battery - 1975 euro.

Luna BMS - 797 euro.

prices ex vat in well known irish wholesalers right now.

Breezy_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121171779#Comment_121171779

I was quoted either 3300 or 3500 for a puredrive 5kw. It's not actually priced individually on the quote but it's one or the other.

Same guys want 8800 for just 14 panels, near 5 grand more than that supplier 2 quote above for 6 more panels and his has an eddi.

Pity we can't name these guys here. Save people wasting time asking them for quotes at all.

eltoastero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121170810#Comment_121170810

Supplier 2 quote is very in line with what I paid back in June (so to me it's a good quote) - much better than supplier 1

Chicken Run

currently considering this setup

Surveyor coming out tomorrow - we may have room for up to 24 panels (12 east-facing and 12 west-facing)

Can't seem to get any other companies to respond to my request for quotes yet tho

Can't really run to the expense of a battery and we don't need the EDDI either as our hot water needs are covered with solar-tubes (summer) and wood fired range (winter) so the system would purely be for exporting

Novice at this so any comments are welcome, thanks

6.4kWp of modules kitted to a Renac 5kW String Inverter

16 x Bisol Premium 400W Monocrystalline modules (All black modules)*

Bisol Mounting system on a *Slate Roof (*Price may vary on roof type)

1 x Projoy Fire Safety Switch

AC Switchgear

Renac 5kW String Inverter

Costing

€8,400 Final Cost after Before Incentive

-€2,400 (SEAI Grant)

€6000 Final Cost after Grant Incentive

Breezy_

https://www.pv-magazine.com/2023/10/04/ireland-introduces-online-tool-to-calculate-rooftop-pv-potential/

https://mashable.com/video/google-maps-solar-panels-air-quality-pollen-environment-tools

this is the stuff.

No more listening to rubbish.

deezell

Where are they getting their 30 year lifespan from?

DC999

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121200303#Comment_121200303

Not sure what you're asking about. But here’s the warranties I have with the manufacturers and I’ve confirmed these from their website warranty info.

• 30 years solar panels – warrantied to 87% of their output by year 30 - Guarantee - Our Services - Solutions (solarwatt.com)
• 5 years Huawei inverter
• 25 years Huawei optimizer (on 1/3 of my panels only)

Sure, I'll have to pay to get an installer to remove the old and fit the new if a part dies, but that's the only cost. And that's the same for anything I own if I process a warranty and I don't have the ability to remove and refit it (like a gas boiler)

deezell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121201714#Comment_121201714

Their return on investment chart was predicated on 30 years of saving, no reduction in output and no reduction for the replacement or repair of panels, inverter or batteries. The graph was a straight line. Inverters will be unlikely to be serviceable halfway through that time, as inevitably will some of the panels and batteries. Just like a lot of the powered assets and fixtures you own, ovens, laundry, boilers, your car, you would expect to replace many or most well within half of 30 years. During that time you will have many substantial bills for servicing and repairs, rising with the age of the equipment. Unlike the trivial cost for installation of electrical appliances, such as €80 to swap out a €1500 double oven, you can expect to pay the same rate to replace PV panels or inverters as the original installation cost, which are currently several multiples of the equipment cost. I'd really love to hear from someone who has had panels fail after 20 years and has had them replaced at no cost under warranty.

Naive and simplistic statements of return on investment do nothing for the credibility and motives of the publisher, and an honest estimate of maintenance cost over the 30 years would have taken little effort. I'd honestly expect that you'd likely fork out half of your original investment again during a 30 year period, at which point you would be facing practically a full refit of the electrical hardware at least, and any weather exposed cables also.

hold my beer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121202724#Comment_121202724

Substantial bills for servicing and repairs eh? Where are you pulling this from? What is substantial defined as?

deezell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121202790#Comment_121202790

Have you never had to have a car, appliance, or boiler serviced or repaired over ten years of use? Make that 30 years? The cost of running a washing machine over thirty years is roughly the price of the original and it's two replacements every ten years, I wrote down technical and IT equipment over 7 years, in order ⁹to always have a reasonable QoS. Well and good if something functioned for twice that lifespan, others might fail or become obsolete in 3 or 4 years. Murphy's law states, 'if something can go wrong, it will'. And it does.

hold my beer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121202854#Comment_121202854

Your posts are needlessly negative (weren't you calling heat pumps a great lie or similar recently). There's absolutely nothing to indicate there will be substantial servicing and repair bills on a solar installation.

40wattbulb

Looking for some advice on this quote

12 x 430 Watt Panels

5 kW Huawei  Total Inverter Rating

No Eddi - Have solar tubes already for water

No Battery

Net Price €6,200.00

DC999

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121202724#Comment_121202724

Now you are making simplistic statements. The bulk of a solar install cost is down to Irish labour costs. That is the Ireland we live in.

The panels are dumb devices. There is largely nothing to break on them. No moving parts.

My 700 quid inverter could die, but there is a warranty for 5 years. And I would have to pay labour to install the warranty replacement. That cost is far far less than 'half of the original investment'.

And you're ignoring the saving on electrical bills with solar. Again, being simplistic in your argument.

I haven't seen the article you mention but I can only talk about my positive experience of solar.

You're clearer anti solar and heat pump.

deezell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121203377#Comment_121203377

I'm anti disinformation. I would love solar and heatpumps to be the magic bullet, but they're not. Solar installations are hugely overpriced. Heatpump performance is hugely overstated. You can believe what you like.

In a single sentence I criticised a graph which showed a 30 year return based on zero costs post installation This is a fantasy in any industry. I'd happily install solar if costd were not so grant demand inflated. I'd install a heat pump if it made economic sense to me, and environmental sense in that the gas burned to power the ESB was less than the gas used directly in a home boiler. I bored of doing the math and presenting them. People can believe what they want.

hold my beer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204212#Comment_121204212

Who said anything about them being magic bullets? And literally everyone on this thread says solar is overpriced at the minute, but it still makes sense for a lot of people. Some of us are waiting in the wings for a reasonable price.

HotSwap

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204375#Comment_121204375

The materials are very affordable:

And there are deals going on for buy 3 inverters get one free. Some great deals out there if you shop multiple installers and play them against one another. They know what they are asking is over the top and have no problem dropping prices to win business; Espically now that people are starting to be a bit more careful with what they spend.

Eleusis

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204442#Comment_121204442

can you link that site?

ratracer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121191080#Comment_121191080

How did you get on with the survey?

I think I know the company as I’ve got the same quote, yet after spending an hour with the company owner/ surveyor and a promise I’d get a detailed quote in a day or so, I subsequently received nothing back from them. I tried to contact him by phone, text, email with no reply. I even called the office and was told I would receive the quote by the end of the next day, but still nothing!!

I liked them and reckon I would have gone with them, but looks like I may have dodged a bullet.

AmpMan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121204442#Comment_121204442

Can you link to that seller please?