Russia - threadbanned users in OP

True enough. But the problem is when murder is Russian/Palestinian war doctrine. That is, it is encouraged by the leaders. Once it is 'legal' the gates of hell are opened.

I can't help but raise my eyebrows at the readiness with which certain people say this at every opportunity. It's been going on since a couple of months into the invasion proper when the war was no longer being covered 24 hours by news channels.

What's being said here other than 'long running event that's no longer novel to people, usurped in the headlines by more novel event', which is basically the story of commercial news and public opinion throughout history in a nutshell?

Been a good year and a half since the start of the opining that support for Ukraine would wane, and not only are they still fighting, but they're getting Bradleys, Abrams and F-16s.

We should remind ourselves that the USA and its partners were able to maintain two quite expensive Middle Eastern occupations long after they stopped being newsy affairs.

You're talking about things that haven't even happened yet, namely a direct confrontation between Iran and Israel. That's quite a big if. What is less of an if is the prospect of large scale Israeli reprisal on the territory comprising the Palestinian Authority, and these reprisals have been short and sharp, historically. Nothing like the knockdown, drag out war currently raging in Ukraine.

I'm sure Iran is aware, for all its bluster, that if they huff and puff too hard at Israel, it is they who stand the much higher chance of being wiped off the map courtesy of the unknown number of nuclear weapons Israel currently possesses, so I don't think there is much of a possibility of a long war in Israel's near future.

For the U.S.'s part, it's pretty easy to send over a carrier strike group to the med, since they have a stated policy of not confronting Russia directly with their own stuff.

@Manic Moran People have been talking about the production of artillery shells and some have mentioned that it's not worth it for companies to ramp up production as "dumb" artillery isn't a part of NATO's strategy. Do you agree?

Also and this may be a stupid question but is there a major difference between shells for artillery pieces and tanks? Assuming the calibre is the same, are they interchangeable?

3500 Abrams and yet only 30 are being sent to Ukraine over a year,

If Israel decided that they needed tanks they would get them immediately in numbers required .

But again the biggest issue is ammunition and artillery shells a new war in the middle east will add to the strain on supplies, Israel will need artillery shells fairly rapidly when this kicks off properly,and guess who's going to get priority over other countries

All I meant is that, literally, over the weekend, the Ukraine conflict lost media attention due to events in Israel.

It will, of course, be back.

I also don't think the US is going to suddenly stop supporting Ukraine and focus on Israel.

The threat to Ukraine support is more medium term and connected to present and upcoming elections, especially but not only in the US.

Plus what Ukraine needs in terms of support is not the type of support that would be necessarily useful to Israel

Sorry wrong thread

Let’s be honest here. If Russia blockaded a Ukrainian city, blocking water, food, electricity, medicines and fuel everyone on here would be calling them war criminals of the highest order and losing their ****(I’m sure they would as well if the opportunity presented itself). Israel’s defence minister just declared this today. Half of Gaza’s residents are children. The Israeli government never had any moral authority to begin with. And what hamas did was vile before anyone goes off on that tangent. The double standards are breathtaking.

A good catch

Yes, both sides are wrong. And have been for a long time. But this does not make the murder of civilians any more palatable.

israel/Palestine has less chance of kicking off world war 3 so the escalation factor is lower although that is debatable at this stage. But overall Ukraine/Russia is a more dangerous situation.

The Palestinians don’t have nukes therefore arming Israel to the teeth won’t bring a nuclear response. And if logic is applied then this Palestinian attack is absolute crazy stuff that has taken all analysts by surprise.