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What is our/ Irish peoples obsession with The Fields Of Athenry song? It's a nice song to sing yes.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,530 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    We are not discussing Martin Ferris, that is a different thing to a song sung by people at a rugby match.

    I am not a totalitarian, if a team sings something in the privacy of a dressing room there is nothing I can do about that. If somebody in that dressing room is offended and doesn't come forward, there is nothing I or a governing body can do. Somebody shared the video and action was taken and an unequivocal apology was issued.

    What is it you want done here?

    What solutions are you offering? Jailtime for singing a song?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Right seen as any grown up song seems to offend someone, looking to be offended, I propose a new inclusive song for all our Irish sports events.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,616 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    It was not me who brought up the subject of Martin Ferris, it was someone else, who witnessed him doing fist pumps in response to, and seemingly to encourage the crowd to insert IRA in to the Fields of Athenry song.

    The Fields is sung not just in Stadiums but in pubs etc etc too.

    If you see nothing wrong with a football team chanting up ah up the RA, even though there may be people with family victims of the 'RA on the team ( never mind next door or in the corridor )...there is something very wrong.

    I would say the same if a sports team was chanting Up the UVF or whatever. Paramilitaries should never be glorified. You should know that.

    At least you agree that "You can inset IRA and SF in to any song you want, but people are much more likely to insert them in to songs which stir up anti-British hatred, as is the case."



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    That's a dated, 23 years old, s*ite song too. Best suited to a rave at the turn of the century.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,602 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Buses ! Are you mad ?

    Boards is full of losers offended by public transport. Far too divisive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,530 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Paramilitaries are glorified the world over and will be.

    Paramilitaries are not glorified by Irish rugby supporters singing the FoA

    The Fields of Athenry is not remotely 'anti British'. It is anti- being deported for stealing corn to feed your hungry family

    You not liking the song is not a sufficient reason to stop singing it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,616 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Paramilitaries are NOT glorified the world over. After Enniskillen practically every country in the world condemned the pIRA, from the USA to Russia.

    You did not answer the question ( no surprise) : Do you think everyone in the pub that Martin Ferris walked in to agreed with him doing fist pumps to the chants of IRA inserted in to "Fields of Athenry"?


    How many Warringtons would the 7 tonnes of explosives etc that Martin Ferris was caught on the ship trying to import have caused?


    You would be the very one complaining if there were chants of UVF or whatever in to loyalist songs in public places.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,530 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I don't know the answer to the Martin Ferris question. I don't know the people who were in the pub. I don't know if it even happened.

    Martin Ferris is responsible for what Martin Ferris does, not me.

    Now have you any evidence that you are not inventing and orchestrating outrage about the singing of the Fields Of Athenry at sports matches?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,616 ✭✭✭Francis McM




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,530 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You asked me about Martin Ferris, Ferris was in the IRA, I suspect he supported them. just guessing. 🙄

    What has it to do with singing the Fields Of Athenry at a rugby match?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,616 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Do wake up and read gormdubhdibh's post. It was in a pub where the singing was, and no surprise that IRA and SF was inserted in to the Fields of Athenry song. Ferris anticipated it, by all accounts, and fist thumped, according to the witness.

    You think poor innocent girls ( who possibly have family or friends who were victims of the IRA) should have to endure IRA chants from their team mates if they are on a sports team. So that is the kind of Ireland you hope to entice Northerners in to, to play on the national soccer team. Good luck with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,530 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Ferris supported the IRA. As many did.

    You were going to give us a solution to people singing songs that others find offensive.

    What is YOUR solution to this? There are hundreds of songs that people find offensive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,616 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Some did but most did not, during the troubles. Even in N.I., most Catholics did not support SF during the troubles. Here south of the border SF / IRA typically got only 1 or 2% of the vote during the troubles, with no TDs.

    There are not hundreds of songs that glorify paramilitaries.

    Now please answer the questions. Why do you think poor innocent girls ( who possibly have family or friends who were victims of the IRA) should have to endure IRA chants from their team mates if they are on a sports team?

    Is that is the kind of Ireland you hope to entice Northerners in to, to play on the national soccer team?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,530 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I bet you those who didn’t support the IRA don’t sing songs about them.

    I think the sharing of people singing a song to taunt is wrong.

    I think singing a song to taunt or hurt is wrong.

    I think singing a song because you want to is not wrong.

    I can’t be any clearer.

    p.s. the Fields of Athenry has nothing to do with paramilitaries



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,616 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    So you thing those songs or chants glorifying paramilitaries are wrong and you see sense at last, great.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,530 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I have been making the same point for ages. Great you get it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,530 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    They aren't looking for a replacement. The Fields will remain. And long may it do so. Great to hear it sung by a crowd IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,616 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    It is depressing song ( what could be more depressing than famine, death, forced emigration, bitterness against our neighbours etc ) and since it became popular, the Irish soccer team has done worse than ever. It is a pity - but no surprise - it is sometimes hijacked by extremist Republicans who insert the IRA and SF in to it. Not at rugby matches, but sometimes in pubs etc. One good thing, it drives the day of a U.I. further away.

    As regards the IRA chants among sprts teams, it is a pity you still think poor innocent girls ( who possibly have family or friends who were victims of the IRA) should have to endure IRA chants from their team mates, if they are on a sports team. As noted previously, if is the kind of Ireland you hope to entice Northerners in to, to play on the national soccer team, good luck with that. Will not happen.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,530 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    So Francis, weren't you going to give us a solution to the problem of people singing songs that some find hurtful or offensive?

    What songs go on this list and how do you impose your solution, if you have one.

    As there is no known examples of anyone finding the Fields Of Athenry offensive at the games it is sung at, we can put it to one side. You not liking it personally is not a sufficient reason and I don't think anyone would take a blind bit of notice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,616 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Simple solution, stop singing your songs glorfying paramilitaries, and stop tarnishing songs by inserting IRA and SF in to them.


    As I said, you would be the very one who would be complaining if, for example, the Scottish ladies football team was chanting "Up the UVF". Or if there were loyalist songs being sung by the crowd at a Scottish football match, saying for example"the famine is ov-ver, why dooon't youu go homee". With a UVF or UDA chant included in the version in the pub afterwards.

    Why do you still think poor innocent girls ( who possibly have family or friends who were victims of the IRA) should have to endure IRA chants from their team mates, if they are on a sports team?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,530 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    That's a request to somebody who doesn't sing songs about paramilitaries. Nor inserts lines in songs.

    It's not a solution therefore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,260 ✭✭✭amacca


    Ah relax ffs, did you really think I thought they were looking for a replacement🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,530 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,616 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    It would be a solution if people stop singing your songs glorfying paramilitaries - it does not matter if it is IRA or UVF. In this country / on the island it is mostly songs glorifying the IRA we hear about, be it from the national soccer team or Feile etc. Or even the pub, as someone said when they witnessed Ferris fist thumping when IRA and SF was unsurprisingly inserted in Fields of Athenry.


    As I said, and you ignored , you would be the very one who would be complaining if, for example, the Scottish ladies football team was chanting "Up the UVF". Or if there were loyalist songs being sung by the crowd at a Scottish football match, saying for example"the famine is ov-ver, why dooon't youu go homee". With a UVF or UDA chant included in the version in the pub afterwards.

    You still have not explained why do you still think poor innocent girls ( who possibly have family or friends who were victims of the IRA) should have to endure IRA chants from their team mates, if they are on a sports team?

    It is time IRA chants stopped being inserted in to the Fields or at the end of ladies national football matches.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,530 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Ok. I

    'Will yiz stop singing songs!'


    Nope, didn't work Francis. Now what?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,616 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    It is not the singing of songs, it is the vocal glorification of paramilitaries. To be condemned on both sides.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,530 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The Fields of Athenry doesn't glorify paramilitaries.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,616 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    When IRA is inserted in to it, it turns more sinister. We were also talking about the "Uh ah, Up the Ra" chants by sports teams.

    If the N. Irish or Scottish team was chanting UVF or UDA, or inserting that in to loyalist songs, would you think that was right?



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