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How did they do this? (and what part of their country did Ukraine give up?)

Think you missed my point

The biggest issue for Ukraine going forward will be the international community, Zelensky is starting to looked more stressed now than he did 500 + days ago, right now he's under pressure at home and abroad to show what they have done with the 100 + billion of military aid they have received and still demanding more donations, Ukraine will fight to the death there is no question about that ,but international backers don't seem to be so sure they can win this , we want to see Ukraine back to pre2014 border's but if international money and supplies slow down that gets more and more difficult to achieve without billions more alot more that the 100 billion+ they have already received

Until such a thing happens ( and bearing in mind, the same thing applies to everyone on the planet) we have to plan along the existing lines, or to put it another way, the chess pieces that are in play at the moment. But having said that, I'm sure that there are plenty of think tanks around who work through every possible scenario, and more so than ever with the new AI in play.

The moral blame rests with Modi, Lula da Silva and Xi as much as anybody else. They could have helped but didn't. They don't have the moral fiber to end this war by sending weapons.

Weapons won't necessarily end the war , hundreds of tanks,Ifv and other armour, thousands of artillery guns , rockets and missiles, and 500,000 dead soldiers on both sides hasn't ended the war ,we sent no weapons,we set ration packs and some pieces of body armour,no weapons or ammunition,no communication systems , vehicles

Sounds like another line may have been breached.

Angela Merkel 6 months after the annexation of Crimea rewarded Russia by implementing Nordsteam 2, effectively handing German energy needs to Russian hands and then accelerating the closing down of German domestic energy and on and on.

It's possible she didn't have her career path to leadership greased by Russian intelligence but it's a hard sell

No were not all fauqed, and this is part of the problem going forward, outside of Ukraine there's NATO any real threat to a NATO country gets a massive military reaction, but it will take more than a drone landing in a forest or just inside some line some where, the threat going forward now is the lack of munitions and equipment in NATO countries who have given everything but the kitchen sink to Ukraine,this leaves those states with a weakened defence capabilities, as we've some countries are being pressured into handing over kit to Ukraine and then Having to rush out to purchase more equipment to replace that equipment and at the same time ukraine comes back and says we want even more donations, only recently Ukrainians were demanding that Sweden be pushed through the NATO process so they can donate all of their great military equipment to them,

NATO and the international community could have done a lot more to make sure this war didn't start, but they are hardly coming away Smelling of roses ,we playcated Putin in 2014 ,now we expect Ukraine to fight a moden war with none of the resources to do so , some stuff but now there's not a lot to give going forward,

If we allow countries to invade neighbouring countries and hold onto territory they will not stop there .

I thought we all knew that.

Have you references for donor counties' arms being depleted so that they can no longer defend themselves?

is there no arms industry to produce the arms that are needed?Is there no money to pay for it?

Are we too poor and lacking in armament to provide Ukraine with the means to defend itself ?

Oh dear what a pity

Zelensky has meeting in Shannon...

with Sudanese army general Abdel Fattah al-Burhan. The pair discussed security challenges posed by Russia’s invasion, with Zelensky saying they aim to ‘intensify’ cooperation between Ukraine and African countries.

@amandstu If we allow countries to invade neighbouring countries and hold onto territory they will not stop there .

But nobody actually stopped them ,this is the crux of the problem which led to this latest invasion, Ive been on numerous threads discussing the invasion that was coming since 2014 ,your a Russophobe,you hate this and your just saying this to make them look bad , Fast forward 550+ days post invasion 2.0 and guess what were still having the same discussion,

The EU and NATO didn't do enough and aren't doing enough,but now they are sitting there going Ukraine aren't doing enough and the big counter has achieved very little strategically and winter is rapidly approaching which will pause the counter offensive .

"Have you references for donor counties' arms being depleted so that they can no longer defend themselves'

So NATO countries have an infinite supply of weapons, tanks and other vehicles to Ukraine.

No ,no they do not,have countries given a very large supply of equipment and munitions to Ukraine yes ,has that equipment and munitions and vehicles been replenished no they have not have their stores replenished, does that leave countries weakened defence wise yes .

Leaving aside ammunition (afaiwa) the US unlike Europe, has no shortages of most of the weapons platforms they might want to supply Ukraine. For example, I think they could repeatedly feed kinds of numbers of IFVs/artillery systems/tanks etc. they have given or promised to Ukraine so far from stocks over several years of the war before making a large dent, and could do the same with aircraft if they decided to supply these in future. Without the US we (in Europe) would be in trouble.

At the moment IMO the US is calibrating and limiting support for domestic political reasons (the division + general lack of belief in supporting Ukraine on conservative/isolationist right) and also as a strategic calculation (worries about "WW3", Putin going on a mad one + cracking under the pressure and using nukes, and/or Russia exploding in chaos). It is not because they are caught short of stuff to supply Ukraine with and struggling.