Russia - threadbanned users in OP

I think the point is NATO is the USA. Your point is correct though the Europeans should be contributing more or at least buying this vast stock the US has.

Rheinmetall is setting up a complex in Ukraine announced during the summer it's mainly going to be repairing vehicles donated by Germany but it's being funded by several other nations,so it's cheaper and easier then sending them back to Germany which could take months to turn around,it makes sense setting up in Ukraine, there's only a handful of companies who make artillery shells in Europe and the US and it will be something like 2028 before they reach the capacity needed that's another 4 years down the road ,the same with deal to produce the 1500 +cv90s it's taken 30 years to Produce that many so we won't be seeing 1500+ cv90s built in Ukraine fighting in Ukraine in the short to medium term at all ,

Both sides are being grinded down Ukraine themselves have had to lower their requirements for military conscription to include people suffering from medical and mental health problems as long as they believe it's curable, and recently talks of seeking extradition of individuals they believe have dodged conscription by fleeing to EU states.

Two arrived in Denmark last week

Does the west have the will is the real question. Without that it certainly won't produce/release the equipment.

Up until now the answer is a 100% no.

If the West starts sending the proper weapons and systems this will be over soon enough. It is letting Ukraine fight with one hand tied behind their back. The US is happy enough with this. It is witnessing the collapse of the Russian army without loosing a single man.

It does seem to be strategy to drag the war out …

I think you're confusing lethargy and strategy here...

Only halfway joking, it seems to me that even some of the more hawkish countries out there are unwilling to part with their pre-war approach to international crises, that is, taking things slow and deliberately with the least possible impact on their nation's populace.

Russia?

Being since the start actually going back to 2014 i was saying it ,if they don't get the equipment they won't defeat Russia,the US and others are happy to sit and watch the Russians get grinded down to nothing, but at the same time Ukrainians are getting ground down ,this war could have been over in a few months if the US and NATO decided to back Ukraine properly, but they aren't and zelensky trying to call countries for apparently not doing enough isn't going to end well ,if it wasn't for NATO and the EU he and his family would either be dead or in a Russian prison on some rediculous charges for crimes against Russia,

Ukraines defence budget is 44 Billion on top of the nearly 100 billion that's been donated by NATO and the EU

Think the future donations might be more consumables rather than vehicles. 155mm shells, Warsaw pact calibre ammunition from countries like Pakistan and air defense munitions. Imagine the Russians will conduct a campaign similar to the previous one targeting energy infrastructure.

The jets are one area where to expect significant deliveries. Something like the SAAB Grippen would be excellent for Ukraine. As you mentioned supplies are limited, hence the F16.

This is what I've been saying for a while,there is no big stocks of exsoviet equipment anywhere is Europe now , which means going further afield like you said , nobody in Europe is building new tanks and vehicles to be donated to Ukraine, go back through this thread and you'll see said give them cv90s ifv ,give them archers and gripens before most people even knew what they actually were, the Archer artillery system is brilliant but only 17 of them exist, which ukraine got some of already,

But the idea of zelensky calling out countries for not doing enough or claiming that countries support Russia is not a great look, he shouldn't be calling out countries while demanding countries Donate tanks , aircraft and weapons,at some point he's going to end up being told yes you can have new tanks when you buy them from countries rather than having a wish list that can only be donated

I agree. The US has done a lot already and the EU can't have it both ways: on the one hand it wants to be a major world player, on the other hand it wants US to be the saviour when there's war on the European continent.

There are definite cracks forming in the alliance and all it does is encourage Putin to hang in there. The European countries must provide more and better military aid but I really don't see where the decisive contribution is going to come from.

They aren't listening to him any more. Yes you'll get the odd arms announcement but the overall goal is to slowly demolish the Russian army and indeed Russia itself. The west could care less if over a million Ukrainians die in a 5-10 year war if it achieves that goal. If they wanted Ukraine to win rapidly it would have happened last year. Don't get me wrong, this whole sorry situation is Putin's doing but don't mistake the fact that the US in particular see this as an opportunity not to be missed.

That to me seems very plausible

What both the EU and the USAs next question is who manages a collapsed and shattered Russia after Putin?

I can see from the USA perspective that they'd be thinking "hey Europe, that's your backyard, deal with it".

The EU perspective is there isn't the domestic political will within the EU to provide for a Marshall Plan type rehabilitation of Russia, although from a resources perspective that reconstruction would quickly pay for itself.