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Parkleigh, Seven Mills, Dublin 22

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,353 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    They are, but they can only buy whats available. So you arent going to get the same proliferation of social housing that you see with new builds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,353 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Yeah its madness.

    Avoid new builds like the plague and let your TD know it isnt on to keep giving new homes over to those that cant afford them, to the detriment of those that can.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭topal


    This is true.

    You can take it further. Apart from the at least 10% Part V requirement, most developers are of the opinion that 2/3 bedroom apartments are essentially unprofitable in most areas to sell directly to people.

    A safe assumption is most apartment blocks currently being built will go to either social housing via the council or housing associations like tuath.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,353 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Yes. The part 5 is just the start of it.

    The councils then hoover up as many homes as they can so that they can reduce their social housing list and then are dumb enough to seek kudos and likes from the working electorate - the very people they have snatched the new houses from!

    It goes like this...

    State doesnt bother building social houses.

    State waits for developer to build private houses. Private buyers are pleased, as there is potential for them to finally own a home.

    State outbids private buyers using private buyers money via taxation, then expects thanks from private buyer.

    Private buyer is pi**ed off. But as they arent on any form of housing list, State does not care.

    Repeat cycle.

    Private buyer emigrates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 Fabiolasays


    Did anyone book here? How was the viewing and houses?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 classynow


    I was there, didn't manage to book, but I was close. Most of the people were high-income earners from South Asia. Fair play to them and their persistence as some of them stayed there the whole night.

    In my opinion, the houses are worth the price; they are like any other new builds. The area is still under construction; this is the first phase. Estate agents told us that nearby duplexes are going for cost rental, and the apartments will be BTS, though ground floors will probably end up with social housing.

    Since I was close, estate agents reassured us they will use the cancellation list for the upcoming phases. The next one should launch in 6 weeks, and the move-in date should be February. I'm not sure whether I should trust them; is anyone familiar with HMD and their track record?

    I can't help but feel a bit disappointed with the local government and city planners. There is an obvious demand; there were around 300-400 high-income earners queuing up with mortgages/deposits ready, and you can only come up with 50 houses... There's abundance of space there, and I'm sure all of those people would consider larger-spacious apartments as well. Other countries would do everything to keep those people!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭ARJn


    Overnight queue to buy in D22 🤣🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭Col_30


    " Estate agents told us that nearby duplexes are going for cost rental, and the apartments will be BTS, though ground floors will probably end up with social housing." 🤣

    Estate agents will tell you anything to get the booking deposit. Do not believe a word of this rubbish. They have no way of knowing what will happen with any future development.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2 abhirup


    I went there last week for the viewing. We were invited for the viewing at 10. After looking at the prices of those houses on sale, I was excited and thought to reach there little early. But to my surprise, I saw a big queue in front of me with atleast 150 people ahead. On checking with people around, I heard some of them stayed overnight at the site. After seeing all these, I lost all my hope of owning a house in Dublin. Prices are cheap if compared with other estates around D22 or Lucan/Adamstown with better connectivity with the city. But again, its a new development with absolutely nothing around within 1km. So it is going to be a risky bet. Congratulations those who managed to book one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭ARJn


    https://twitter.com/protechstone/status/1698092832328667174

    The queue seems insane , I guess they have HTB eligible houses



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭suave.4u




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭ARJn


    That is not a fake video I can confirm that, that was the queue on open viewing date and also people stayed overnight as well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2 abhirup


    This is not fake. I see myself in the queue. 😊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭suave.4u




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,353 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    And will be surrounded by social housing.

    An expensive council estate on the fringe of nowhere. But its hard enough to buy anyehere these days, sadly.

    Though I dont think those that missed out will be too dissapointed in the long run.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 xdoe


    For those who moved in. How’s it going? Are you able to find school places for your young ones?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 classynow


    I got one in the end, the house buying journey is awful.

    Now the area wise, I don't wanna jinx it, but it ended up being better than I expected. It's quiet, the residents are nice and respectful enough. We are yet so see people moving into duplexes (cost rental), and apartments that are built so far (social/cost rental).

    The houses are well built, obviously bare minimum, but people didn't have any major issues so far. Cairn is a bit slow, but they do address issues eventually.

    In short, it's a massive construction site now, we will all see how it's gonna turn out in the end. It's also open now, so you can drive around and check it for yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭DonnieCorko


    Hey! I booked a house in parkleigh recently but I saw Respond Housing announce that they acquired 350 units in Parkleigh. However, Parkleigh only has 6/700 units I believe, so I presume this is across the entire seven mills. Have you any idea? Do you know the split of cost rental vs social?

    Do you have one car parking space or two? Ours only has one and I think its a bit of a disaster so wondering how ye handle it? I am contemplating trying to rent a spot off someone in the estate or perhaps an estate down towards clondalkin village and use a scooter to get down. Any thoughts?

    I also read about scramblers down by the canals alot. Any trouble in the estate so far that you know of?

    How is the sound insulation between bedrooms? Particularly bedroom 2 and 3?

    Thanks!

    EDIT: I see you replied to my earlier thread around 2 bed vs 3 bed. Apologies I only saw it now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 classynow


    Cheers!

    For respond housing, folks in this thread who said you cannot know who's gonna move in were right. This is what they announced so far, taken from Respond website:

    318 homes at Seven Mills, Clonburris, Dublin 24, (170 cost rental homes and 148 social homes) in partnership with South Dublin County Council.

    We have one car parking spot, but also only one car, so that suits us.

    No issues from the canal scramblers so far. If you have windows open sometimes you can hear them racing through the canal in the middle of the night.

    I think this section of the canal, especially in Adamston direction isn't that bad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭DonnieCorko


    Thanks for the reply!

    Good to know that its 50/50 split, could be worse. So based on 5500 homes in Seven Mills, 10% are social automatically and it looks like another 3% based on the 148. 13% isn't too high based on some other places like Kilcarbery Grange.

    I thought that the stretch by Clonburris would be the worst part as you have Bawnogue on the other side of the canal. Have you tried walking down the canal at all? Find it safe to do so during the day?

    Wondering if you know if Cairn are going to sell more to Respond, would you know? Have you spoken to them?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 classynow


    There are 4 types of the properties, houses (3/4 bed), duplexes (2 and 3 bed), apartments (mostly 1 and 2 bed). What I've seen so far is that houses are mostly private buyers, including affordable purchase scheme.

    Duplexes are both private buyers or cost rental.

    Apartments so far are exclusively cost rental/social. I hope some of the apartments that are built so far will go on sale. Respond took 318 units, but I think there's more built than that. I would have to compare those numbers with planning docs.

    There's a lot more left to build and I assume Cairn will sell to anyone interested.

    Yes, I walk along the canal all the time, for my standards it's safe. From what I heard the canal is way rougher towards the city, Bluebell, along Luas line etc. Didn't ever go that far so can't confirm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭DonnieCorko


    Thanks again for the reply.

    Would you have a link to the planning docs? I saw the clonburris SDZ plans, but not Seven Mills plans.

    I do have an email from the estate agents a while back offering 2 bed apts for sale, but I don't these were located within the large blocks of apts, they seem to be by the duplexes.

    It looks like the apt blocks themselves will be totally social/cost rental alright, which isn't great but will have to see how it goes.

    How is the train station in terms of safety? Any issues so far?

    I read a previous comment about someone who went for a walk along the canal said he saw people racing motorbikes, smoking weed (the least of my worries) etc. You haven't seen this or you have but it doesn't worry you?

    Have the residents had any contact with Cairn to try prevent large amounts of the apts etc being sold to housing bodies?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭DonnieCorko


    For anyone looking at seven mills, I have found out that Respond bought 350 units out of 720 total in Parkleigh, Seven Mills. Think I am going to pull out as it means 25% of the housing will be Respond Social, 25% Cost Rental Respond Social (fine from my understanding) plus min 10% social housing as part of Part V plus 10% affordable housing (also fine).

    Pretty sickened tbh as 35% social housing when the houses cost 470K is insane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭suave.4u


    This is the truth here.
    Person who is under 25K and over 120K are doing good. If you are in the middle, then you are basically screwed over again and again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 classynow


    Check planning portal:
    https://planning.agileapplications.ie/southdublin/search-applications/

    Yes seems that apt blocks in the first phase will be social/cost rental. I am guessing the ones next to the main road will be social.

    The train station sometimes feels abandoned, I've never experienced anti-social behaviour, but I can imagine there would be kids at odd times that are up to no good. I feel this will get resolved soon as it will become busier. During peak times it's perfectly safe and busy enough.

    There are kids/youth along the canal, but also there are people on bikes, joggers, dog walkers, families etc. I've never seen them racing, or smoking weed, but I did hear them from time to time.

    There's a lot of construction going on; you cannot base the total numbers just on the first phase. My guess is that the first phases will likely end up being cost rental/social housing, probably because nobody wants to buy or pay full rent in a place without any amenities.

    If you ask me, as I've commented earlier in the thread, I would put everything on sale. However, for whatever reason, the apartments they are building now would cost €500-600k, and apparently, the developers don't want to risk not being able to sell them.

    I've checked the planning documents for you; here are the numbers:

    1st phase - 565 units - Almost fully built
    171 houses (mostly private owners, most 3bedroom) - almost everyone moved in
    148 duplexes (private owners/cost rental? - 2bed/3bed) - about to move in
    246 apartments (cost rental/social - 1bed/2bed, a few 3 bed) - moving in later this year?

    Now, respond got 318 homes - 170 cost rental homes and 148 social homes. I'm pretty sure all of the social is in apartments and cost rental is spread between apts and duplexes.

    2nd phase - 157 units - Almost fully built
    81 houses (almost all private owners, mostly 3bedroom) - about to move in
    76 apartments (1bed/2bed) - ?

    3rd phase - 594 units - Under construction (this is next to the train station)
    594 apartments (mostly 1bed/2bed)
    retail spaces
    office building

    4th phase - 565 units - Coming after 3rd phase is complete
    230 houses (mostly 3 bedroom)
    216 duplexes (2bed/3bed)
    119 apartments

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    with more phases coming down the line…

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,353 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    The sad truth is that 470k for a house in Dublin isnt expensive. So the housing body are getting a relativley good deal there.

    Do we know if respond own the homes or are just renting them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,353 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Very true. The people in the middle income brackets that can avail of cost rental and affordable housing should really be prioritised in these developments.

    Majority cost rental/affordable, with a lesser amount to social housing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 classynow


    I was surprised to see that for Respond's cost rental income brackets are not that strict:

    - Your net household income is below €66,000 per annum in Dublin and €59,000 elsewhere per annum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,353 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Which means a couple or single on 100k should still qualify in Dublin.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 classynow


    Yes, the main issue is that these are some of the first cost rental schemes, and all of them get a few thousand applicants.

    Applications tend to be open for a week or two only, and I think you get selected by a lottery system.



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