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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 299 ✭✭pummice


    I would be worried about his safety after the war. Skripal thought he was safe. We never found out how the Russians found out where he lived.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,854 ✭✭✭zv2


    Post edited by zv2 on

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Ukraine has few allies or well wishers outside of western Europe and North America


    Russia has a lot in Africa and Asia



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,854 ✭✭✭zv2


    There are a lot of technicalities in the definition of genocide but the deportation of children and the attacks on the energy plants last winter seem to me like elements of genocide.

    Genocide - Wikipedia

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,126 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Genocide is a very high bar to clear. Russia has committed countless attrocities but it doesn't meet the crucial definition of genocide for the reason that the vast, vast majority of deaths have been combatants rather than civilians:

    Genocide: "the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group"

    If Russia was to meet such a criteria here you could just as well say it about any nation that's ever engaged in war.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,854 ✭✭✭zv2


    Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people[a] in whole or in part. In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group." These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly. Genocide - Wikipedia

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    The legal definition of genocide:

    (a) Killing members of the group;

    (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

    (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

    (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

    The ICC has issued an arrest warrant to Putin and other members of his government in Russia for the "unlawful deportation and transfer of children"

    Several countries have already recognised Russian actions as genocide in Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,482 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Nothing new about this. Was it Bosnia where they found "acts of genocide" but it wasn't genocide ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    More evidence the UN is a joke that needs disbanding.

    Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,126 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    You're ignoring the operative word there which is "and". Genocide is an amalgamation of attrocities on civilians, I don't think it applies to individual subset of criteria.

    There is another issue with officially applying terms like that to wars like this which is that it would probably have a cheapening effect on it's intentionally reserved use against regimes like the Nazis or the Turks for example who committed far greater mass attrocities in their time that meet every definition of genocide.

    It would cheapen it because it would just be used over and over again for all sorts of actions which would debase the impact the term is supposed to have.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It was a stretch calling it genocide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,475 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Uh? Would it be clearer to you if it had been written:

    1. X
    2. Y
    3. Z
    4. A
    5. B

    instead of X, Y, Z, A and B? Or do you think it should be written "or." In 1948, I doubt the grammar rules in place would've allowed for 'Or.' Note "any" in the preceding clause.


    But, do keep shoveling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,774 ✭✭✭storker


    It seems that the idea of this type of camouglage is to make it harder to discern the outline of the aircraft and thus aid recognition. To paint the whole wing would defeat tha aim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,774 ✭✭✭storker


    Could be. In a way it's more fun if it's tyres.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 194 ✭✭JimmyChew


    It's actually mind boggling the supposed might of the Russian army (at least 12/18 months ago) didn't & doesn't posses or can't afford to risk even a few sorties over Ukrainian airspace. If they had a tenth of what the US has in its hangers they could overwhelm overnight but it just isn't & wasn't there!

    It makes you wonder about the west's intelligence gathering on Russia pre invasion. You would hope the intelligence gathering and effectiveness of same has improved, although you'd wonder how since any "round eye" on the ground would be seen as an immediate threat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,672 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    More Shahed attacks close to Romania on Sunday.

    Kind of wonder will NATO/Romania agree with Ukraine to help to cover some of that infrastructure with air defence emplaced over the border (it is only few km away from where these drones are aimed at)? Probably not, fear does seem to rule the day. However, idea that NATO shooting down some unmanned buzz-bombs that of course have no business at all flying anywhere through Ukraine's airspace let alone right up to Romania's border is a serious "escalation", is bogus IMO.

    When drones in question are shaking the windows over the border. Russia clearly do not give a f-ck if some go astray, they have become cock-sure they can do exactly as they please and there will be no response triggered should a few land over the border and kill people. That might happen soon, given numbers of these drones they are launching.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Every Russian alive today, is worried not only about the future, but the present as well, if and when some life threatening event will occur.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,024 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Not one bit.

    We've seen the deliberate targeting of civilians. There was even a theatre of civilians in Mariupol and the Russians still levelled it.

    The abduction of 300,000 Ukrainian children to be raised as Russian.

    The castration of captured prisoners of war. The sterilisation of Ukrainian women with insulation foam. The rape of young women and girls.

    All these meet the conditions of a genocide.

    The only reason the UN security council won't apply that now is because Russia head the security council right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,854 ✭✭✭zv2


    The operative word seems to be 'any'

    the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group."

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 939 ✭✭✭wildefalcon


    Also, for all their efforts, the Russians haven't been successful at eliminating the Ukrainians, thus, so far, they have "only" attempted genocide.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,571 ✭✭✭Economics101




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,185 ✭✭✭Polar101


    War crimes

    Genocide

    Atrocities against civilians

    Murder

    Torture

    Russia is guilty of all of the above in this war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,854 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    And where does real economic power and muscle reside. States in Asia and Africa particularly who cosy up to Putin would want to be careful. Europe may have colonised Africa in the past but it now trades and aids the same continent. Takes in asylum seekers and migrants from same whether willingly or not. Throwing your lot in with a busted Russian economy could be a very bad choice for these regimes and their people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It's in opposition to Western ideas like human rights, democracy, rule of law.


    If Putin was the same but believed in Democracy and rule of law, he'd be hated too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭mike_cork


    The Ukrainian army continues it's drive forward



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,024 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Remember at the start of the war how the Vatican declared Russia committing genocide in Ukraine in the Holodomor.

    Then the Pope had to ruin it all declaring the Great Mother Russia just so he could get safe passage through Russia without being unlived on his way to Mongolia.

    And now one of the largest Roman Catholic nomination countries in Europe, Poland. Who gave us Pope John Paul II in recent times. Have Pope Francis on a front cover riding in a Z mobile on tracks saluting Russia.

    Consequences Francis. Consequences.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 864 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    I’d be able to say with some confidence that the maps they provided their commanders on the ground were all soviet era maps that were all 35 years out of date. That’s why a lot of Russian troops got caught out using google maps to get around.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    I saw a video saying Russia had been using North Korean artillery, but that it's absolute garbage. I cannot, however, verify the validity of that report. 



    It's basically a race at this point as to whether Russia or NATO can ramp up military production fast enough for it to make a difference. Russia don't seem to be in a position to stockpile munitions or other equipment ready to launch an offensive of their own. The attack they launched in the north in the hopes of forestalling the Ukrainian offensive seems to have pretty much ground to a halt. And they just sent a newly formed army to the front before training was finished and without a full equipment load, just to free up experienced troops to try and plug the gaps forming in the southern front, which seems to be on the verge of collapse.


    If the Russian front does collapse in the south, it's hard to predict what happens. Russia made a strategic withdrawal in Kherson last year because they knew their position was untenable and they wanted to avoid a rout. This time they don't seem to have anywhere to fall back to - they don't seem to have had time to throw up any more in-depth defences beyond the third line.


    If Ukraine break through, then they have about a month before the seasonal rains to make it count.


    I found this map showing the front in real time: https://liveuamap.com/


    The salient around Robotyne is clearly visible. I'm not tactician, but if Ukraine breaks through, they will probably want to roll up the lines and destroy as much of the Russian army and equipment as they can rather than drive straight for the coast. I guess Russia will be trying to fortify the coastal cities if they can.

    Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.



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