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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,843 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Maybe because then the effect would be lessened and the aircraft shape would again stand out.

    But I think these are real tyres and not camouflage, performing a similar role to cope cages. I expect it's not a big job for them to remove them before they take-off and the Tu-95 should be sturdy enough to withstand the tyres/boots.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Save your skin, what's the point of dying or being mutilated for some distant f****rs in Moscow or those giving orders from well behind the lines?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp



    Based on this the tires argument looks stronger



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,029 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    It's the Russians, their front-line troops had medical kits from WW2, their maps of Chernobyl were from 1985 and pre-dated the accident, they are currently hoisting Pantsr's onto old Soviet missile towers (like the German Flak towers)

    Let's put it this way, I wouldn't be surprised if they are lobbing tires onto planes to make them more "drone proof".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,264 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Speculating about possible Ukrainian false flag ops to drag NATO into the fray? Leave the false flag stuff to the Russians: they are world champions at that, if at nothing else.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭JimmyChew


    I agree. But a battle weary Commander with control over a group of men and some equipment/artillery/drones of Russian origin could cause unwelcome issues. I'm not saying this could come from the top and upon investigation the route cause would be quickly identified but stranger things have and will happen over the next few months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,654 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    The area just to the north of that village became a greyzone on August 27th (according to and only according to Liveuamap), the same time as it was reported that Ukrainians made gains towards it.


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    It's worth pointing out that it's a major outlier on the map front (being 6 kms further south than the DeepState map for example. Still, another village has entered my daily word search. There'd be some serious rejigging of maps if it was close to accurate though 😂

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,575 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Another KA52 helicopter gone. Russia confirmed it crashed in the sea of Azov and the pilots were rescued. These must be an endangered species by now.


    Seen a lot of videos lately of Russians in the Novoprovka or whatever it's called getting hit hard by artillery and drones. It's pretty clear why Ukraine haven't just continued to advance. Russia has been sending lots of reinforcements and the place is infested like tics.

    They're probably happy to pick them off in big numbers before going for another push.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    Possibly but i can't see Ukraine trying something like that now it looks like they are making slow progress after a frustrating few months. Wouldn't say there is zero chance of it though.

    Edit: I see the Minister of Foreign Affairs Dmytro Kubala stated that Ukraine has photo evidence of the fall of Russian drones on the territory of Romania. Very interesting. Someone is wrong.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,336 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    Kind of like tanks in WW2 when they would place logs onto the sides of their tanks so might take a round from another tank or bazooka rounds. So I presume this is the same thinking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭thomil


    These Ka-52 losses really puzzle me. Those are some of Russia's most advanced combat helicopters, and they're not exactly bad either. These aircraft were designed before the T-14 & Su-57 phase of Russian defense procurement, so they're solid designs with decent production numbers. And yet, they seem to be dropping like flies. According to Oryx, 40 aircraft of the type have been lost so far during the war, out of a total production run of 190 or so.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    With the KA52 imagine the increased activity is taking a toll on them. Together with smarter use of the anti aircraft assets on the part of the UAF. One suggestion was greater use of RBS-70s rather than over reliance on Stingers.


    The KA52 would seem to be one of the more effective bits of equipment in the Russian arsenal. Can see even greater losses if the counter offensive ramps up its momentum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭thomil


    That would explain it alright. Increasing activity, an effective weapons platform, and a recognized threat. Getting deployed in an environment where there's no real air superiority isn't helping either, I presume. While Ukraine isn't doing much in the way of air-to-air, at least not much that gets out, the Russian Air Force isn't really active either, at least not over the immediate combat zone, which means that Ukrainian SAM assets can operate more freely than you'd otherwise think, which probably isn't doing wonders either.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,029 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 939 ✭✭✭wildefalcon


    It's one of the striking features of this conflict, almost WW 1 level of aerial combat, with drones, rather than Fokkers and Camels, drones and SAMs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,050 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Also it seems kind of pointless to have "camo" paint on a huge old bomber like that. They're pretty easy to see (and if they move, hear).

    Not saying having a pile of tires on the wing is any less silly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,471 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Maybe they're out of bombs and are just dropping the tires from height.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭pummice


    I would be worried about his safety after the war. Skripal thought he was safe. We never found out how the Russians found out where he lived.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2


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    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,070 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Ukraine has few allies or well wishers outside of western Europe and North America


    Russia has a lot in Africa and Asia



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2


    There are a lot of technicalities in the definition of genocide but the deportation of children and the attacks on the energy plants last winter seem to me like elements of genocide.

    Genocide - Wikipedia

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,252 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Genocide is a very high bar to clear. Russia has committed countless attrocities but it doesn't meet the crucial definition of genocide for the reason that the vast, vast majority of deaths have been combatants rather than civilians:

    Genocide: "the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group"

    If Russia was to meet such a criteria here you could just as well say it about any nation that's ever engaged in war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭zv2


    Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people[a] in whole or in part. In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group." These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly. Genocide - Wikipedia

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,029 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    The legal definition of genocide:

    (a) Killing members of the group;

    (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

    (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

    (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

    The ICC has issued an arrest warrant to Putin and other members of his government in Russia for the "unlawful deportation and transfer of children"

    Several countries have already recognised Russian actions as genocide in Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,152 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Nothing new about this. Was it Bosnia where they found "acts of genocide" but it wasn't genocide ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    More evidence the UN is a joke that needs disbanding.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,252 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    You're ignoring the operative word there which is "and". Genocide is an amalgamation of attrocities on civilians, I don't think it applies to individual subset of criteria.

    There is another issue with officially applying terms like that to wars like this which is that it would probably have a cheapening effect on it's intentionally reserved use against regimes like the Nazis or the Turks for example who committed far greater mass attrocities in their time that meet every definition of genocide.

    It would cheapen it because it would just be used over and over again for all sorts of actions which would debase the impact the term is supposed to have.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,070 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It was a stretch calling it genocide.



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