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Russia - threadbanned users in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,432 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Saw this this morning.

    Vidar Helgesen, executive director of the Nobel Foundation, explained the decision to invite the countries back: "It is clear that the world is increasingly divided into spheres, where dialogue between those with differing views is being reduced.

    "To counter this tendency, we are now broadening our invitations to celebrate and understand the Nobel Prize and the importance of free science, free culture and free, peaceful societies."


    Swedish Liberal MEP Karin Karlsbro accused the Foundation of setting a "dangerous precedent" by "giving a green light to inviting Russia to a glamorous party while missiles fall over Ukrainian cultural centres and murder children."

    Speaking to Swedish public radio, she called Russia, Belarus and Iran "rogue states" that "oppress their citizens, wage war and terror against their own people and neighbouring countries".

    "They're countries that don't subscribe to democratic values in any way," she said. "There's a war in Europe. [They take] an incredibly naive position. It undermines the cohesion we need throughout society."

    Would agree with that. Whether scientists like it or not, there's definitely camps or blocs here in Europe again.

    Thinking they sit on a cloud of pure scientific enquiry, floating high above politics and war etc. where they can hob-nob with ambassadors of Russia, Belarus, and Iran during this war is deluded and extremely arrogant imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    Had no idea that Sean Penn was in Ukraine filming a documentary when Russia invaded, the result looks like a really interesting watch.


    Amnesty International’s new investigation shows that Israel imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians across all areas under its control: in Israel and the OPT, and against Palestinian refugees, in order to benefit Jewish Israelis. This amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,571 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Since talk is of Belarus.

    A former member of Lukashenko's death squad is to go to court in Switzerland for his participation in the group. He claimed asylum in Switzerland and has claimed he witnessed three of Lukashenko's political rivals being executed by the group.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭dennis72


    He was making all sorts of threats when wager where camped near poland even sent helicopters over the border now he is quite as a mouse since prigozin's demise did he didnt go to the funeral



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭thomil


    🤦🤦🤦I even mentioned NASAMS in one of my posts last night and then wasn't able to make the connection when I saw Akabusi's post. I guess I need more coffee!

    You're right of course, NASAMS uses the AIM-120 AMRAAM as its "engagement asset", so those missiles will likely be used there as well.

    On a sidenote, given how widespread AMRAAM is these days, the available stockpiles must be massive, and even older models will be a major asset.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,154 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I didn't realise he was vocal about that. I had assumed it was just Wagner acting the bollix



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭pcardin


    ruSSia has no future. Not sure if any nation ever on this planet has been as dumb as ruSSians. "there is no better alternative" they say...lame sheep...never asked themselves a question "Why can't I see an alternative?"




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    You'd have to speculate that if Putin croaks before Luka, Belarus will descend into chaos and a civil war; the regime only in power through the army + the knowledge any change would have Russia respond with troops in Minsk on "peace keeping" duties. That's if the Ukrainian war hasn't completely rendered Russia's expeditionary capacity as null and void.



  • Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭ Rayden Large Varnish


    Something will inevitably snap

    They’ve spent a very very long time living somewhere that expression of dissent results in your card being marked. There was a brief period of something approaching normal democracy but I am always sceptical of those kinds of vox pops and surveys. They’re not taking place in a normal country with freedom to criticise the government.

    You also get the diehards who’ll see the camera as an opportunity to profess loyalty and patriotism.

    You saw it a lot in the past with the way the old communist authoritarian regimes just suddenly tumbled, without much warning. People clearly harboured very different views than they could express publicly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,097 ✭✭✭Polar101


    That was a pretty depressing watch. You could pretty much guess what everyone was going to say, and the "I have no interest in politics" group was big. Apathy and brainwashing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,834 ✭✭✭Cordell


    "Changing the government doesn't guarantee that things will change for the better"

    ...but it will guarantee that they don't change. They are obviously happy with things as they are, none of them experienced any form of democracy, so there is really no hope for them. Stability. Cool guy. The best for Russia. Victory will be ours. Remember them whenever you feel the need to defend the regular russian.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭Sigma101


    Agreed, their support for Putin is only as strong as Putin's hold on power. If Putin is perceived as weak, or if his actions threaten to seriously deteriorate their quality of life, that support will disappear like snow in Summer. Just a few weeks ago a mutineer on his way to challenge Putin's authority was celebrated like a rockstar in Rostov, simply because he was briefly seen as a realistic alternative. 

    There's not much point in assessing voting patterns like 1420 are doing there in a country with no experience of democracy and where no realistic democratic alternatives are offered.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,154 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Right now changing government would mean that the new guy can enact the lie that he and all the "good" Russian people were against "Putin's war".

    Let's be honest if Russia offers up that "myth" exchange for ending the war and sanctions the vast majority will go along with this rehash of the "good German"



  • Posts: 1,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Except they would have to concede Crimea. That's a big one for them


    I mean they're going to lose it anyway but still...



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Which is the better route to getting Russia out of Crimea?

    Have them negotiate their way out, then in X years a new guy in charge decides it was a bad deal and invades again.

    Or have them militarily booted out with their tail between their legs such that Russia says please leave us alone now, we've left Crimea and don't want anything to do with it anymore.


    Without a generation or two of new democratic change in Russia I don't see this actually being over even long after all the fighting is forgotten. Will be back again in another couple of decades.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,846 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    They don't need to storm crimea. Get it under fire control and the Himars will do the rest.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,154 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    If Ukraine make the coast at Melitopol does that put Kerch in the firing range or is it still too far ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,641 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,634 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    It would still be too far for the standard HIMARS, but not for stormshadow/scalp.

    But with the latter, it would be risky launching them, without Russian AA being distracted/destroyed. However when Ukraine reach the coast, I'm sure the drone boats will be deployed. Russians didn't place barges on the opposite side of the bridge 🤷🏻‍♂️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    From the Isthmuth of Perekop pretty much all of Crimea will be within GLSDB range. Which should be arriving soon. Not to mention the arrival of F-16s which will have nothing to threaten them in the south from Russia if the landbridge is broken.

    Once Russia loses the landbridge and the Crimean bridge is an underwater tourist attraction they haven't a goddamn hope of holding Crimea. It's effectively a dead-end turkey shoot. Ukraine won't have to enter it by force. And Russia knows this well. Or they'd have retreated there already. Instead of burning through their reserves to hold the frontline in the south where it is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭Sigma101


    Due to the reluctance of Western partners to supply long range missiles, Ukraine now claim they have developed their own, with a range of 300km. If it's true then the bridge is already within range. It's claimed that this missile was used in the attack on Crimea last week.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,154 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Ya but can't missiles like those be shot down similar to planes and drones in a way that more "dumb fire" stuff can't which is more what I was thinking.

    "the Crimean bridge is an underwater tourist attraction".

    🤣 brilliant. Once it starts to grow marine life we should petition to have it named "Putin's Folly Reef"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 939 ✭✭✭wildefalcon


    The Russian dwarfs causeway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,634 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Looks like they have a homegrown missile with 700+ km range.

    But I suspect when Ukraine reach the Azov sea, they can launch their drone boats, when they reach closer or eroded Russian air defences, they can use their own drones to attack the bridge. Maybe when there's a nice target on the rail bridge.

    Also mentioned was the GDLB's, stormshadow's etc... They actually have multiple options and they just need 1 to hit it to take it out of action. Then the Russians are stuck using ferrys to supply Crimea, which will be more targets to sink.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,762 ✭✭✭✭josip


    I think the 700km weapon has a 5kg payload that's only effective against soft skinned targets, ie aircraft, fuel trucks and people.

    They will need something with a larger payload to damage the bridge sufficiently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭Blarney_man




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    If it's accurate and in large numbers then it doesn't really matter. Just hit a train and then again once that is cleared away, rinse and repeat, and they can put the bridge out of action effectively.



  • Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭ Willow Fat Neckerchief


    A thing to keep an eye on is the Slovakian general election due on the 30th of this month. Leading the polls at the minute is a populist pro-Russian candidate called Robert Fico who was the PM previously. He apparently wants to end aid to Ukraine. Its been noted as well that there’s a very active Russian disinformation campaign in the country. Depending on the outcome we might have another Hungary type situation emerging.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,369 ✭✭✭Guffy


    Just hit a train? Just hit a moving train from 700km away? Simples really.


    Hopefully they can get in range to knock the bridge, but i agree the best chance is water drones. I saying that I'd be surprised if barges weren't put in on the inward side of the bridge once this became a threat... but then again it might take a strike for the Russians to realise it's a threat.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Well mostly just the threat of possibly hitting something is going to seriously upset the transport over the bridge. Don't necessarily need to be accurate if you are able to fling a lot of small exploding things in the general direction. Only need one to hit.

    But depends on how many they have.



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