Spain - Women World Cup Champions - 1 week later. (How not to manage a crises)

That's creepy as fùck - how on earth are you defending that?

At this point, the burden of proof is upon you to prove what you're claiming so should be easy since you're adamant this happened.... The footage I've just watched includes him being inappropriate with half the team tbh including being the one lifting them up as he attempts to kiss them. Simples.

Look, I think yer man is completely OTT and comes across as a right prick. But.......... that video has clearly been edited. Posting that as evidence that she didn't engage with him prior to his embrace just undermines the whole case.

Another angle, there's just no proof that she was trying to lift him up. On top of this, he'd be sharing the footage far and wide if there was.

Shameful. He was creepy as fùck towards half the team and now you're engaging in victim blaming.

Well, I am shocked at the crossover between a certain rapists apologists and the Rubiales creep.

Shocked I tell you.

Have any of his defenders read Hermoso’s statement in full?

I don't see anyone defending him.

He has made the allegation that she lifted him first and there is a video grab that may or may not show this.

All people are asking is a for a verified full unedited genuine video of the whole interaction from start to finish. That will clear it up.

At this stage, none of are surely stupid enough to believe every random image we see. Are we?

now you can argue about the appropriateness of his celebrations

That’s one way of putting it 😒

And sure your post definitely explains why the Spanish FA would threaten legal action against a player for speaking out about the behaviour she endured that would damage his reputation and the reputation of the Spanish FA, but even taking this single incident in isolation - his achievements don’t don’t count for shìt when he demonstrates such disrespect for his players that he didn’t even think about the position he put them in on the international stage with his behaviour towards them, fuelled by an attitude that because of his achievements, he was untouchable, indispensable, and everyone should be grateful for his involvement in the sport. He isn’t alone in the attitudes which fuelled his behaviour, and to suggest that the team couldn’t have achieved what they have achieved without being treated like crap is just nonsense really. The team have achieved what they did, in spite of how they were being treated.

One has nothing to do with the other, but Hermano puts it better in her full statement:

It is not up to me to evaluate communication and integrity practices, but I am sure that as the World Champion, we as a team do not deserve such a manipulative, hostile, and controlling culture. These types of incidents add to a long list of situations that the players have been denouncing in recent years.

"This incident, one in which I have been involved, is the final straw and what everyone has been able to witness on live television during the celebration also comes with attitudes like the one we saw this morning and have been part of our team's daily life for years.

https://www.si.com/fannation/soccer/futbol/news/jennifer-hermoso-full-statement-luis-rubiales-rfef-spain

Did you read her statement?

I have absolutely no idea what 'trans' has got to do with the issue under discussion. Or why people might seek to drag it in?

Let's see a genuine verified video of the full incident and then we can verify what we all think happened.

This is the only way female football will get any real air time, it was the same when Australia faced Ireland, it was more off the field stuff that got coverage - the break up of Rushea LittleJohn and Katie McCabe resulted in a frosty reception for Katie's 'friend' Catlin Forde from Australia.

Thing like this 'Spanish kiss' are jumped on by those with agendas who never have nor never will have any interest in women's football.

Will this incident result in more women watching women's sports? As a result of the publicity?

What will the conversations be?

Girl A - Did you see the match?

Girl B - Me too!

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No, it will be all gossip and societal based because that will the main level of interest. It will have little to do with actual football. That is what women are interested in, not the sport itself.

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As for the incident itself the Spanish FA fella Luis Rubiales - should have played the PR game and grovelled - it was not a place to show his cojones.

The team have achieved what they did, in spite of how they were being treated.

Nope, you can't win the elite trophies at world cup level with an ill disciplined and unprofessional squad of players.

It's not a coincidence that they went from no hopers to World Champions once the trouble makers were weeded out from the squad.

Again the people giving their hot takes now had absolutely no interest in what happened then or womens football in general, they are all over it now though, because there good fashioned online witch hunt to be had!

The Spanish FA and the President are entitled to defend themselves, I think most people are sick to the teeth of straight to cancellation, do not pass go, do not get 200.

It's going to be the absolute death knell of the vital essence that is/was Me Too.

His general behaviour during the medal ceremony was well off. He was bear hugging the players way too strongly and invading their personal space. He's not their friend or confidant and many of the Spanish women probably barely even know the guy or have ever had a conversation with him.

The hugging isn't really a problem. Repeatedly kissing almost every single player was. It's extremely inappropriate and creepy behaviour. A man who behaves like that should not be in the position he is in. As for grabbing his crotch in the box, wtf? So weird.

I've been involved in coaching soccer teams for the last fifteen years and it's getter harder and harder to get coaches. I don’t condone the actions of Rubiales, but it's so easy to have a go at people involved in refereeing, coaching and administration.

I'm no longer involved with women's teams, but our women's team don't have a manager at the moment. Men are reluctant to get involved with women's teams now. If you're managing any underage team, expect plenty of abuse from parents and smart comments from players who are aged twelve and over. Referees are shouted at, swore at and threatened on a regular basis. We even saw Katie McCabe shouting at Vera Pauw during the World Cup and the squad snubbing VP at the post WC reception. It's always a one sided issue.

Of course the players know who is he for God sake.

If you watch the video the majority of the embraces were initiated by the players.

There is nothing in this guys history that points to him being some sort of chauvinist sex pest.

He has done more for womens football in Spain then all his predecessors combined, in terms of conditions, pay and popularity. Exactly what Women in professional football want.

The video for me clearly is of a guy that is absolute ecstatic of what they have achieved. I firmly believe the players had absolutely no problem with it until a problem was created.

It's people like him that drive womens football forward to help them achieve the parity they crave. Actual actions, not soundbites or condescending applause.

It's worth pointing out the President of the English FA didn't bother his hole going to the match.

He did apologise.

If Luis Rubiales was clever he would have made a statement of contrition. Made a donation to a women's group. said how he has learnt of the experience. Played those with an agenda at their own game. But I think Rubiales pride would not let him do so, so he dug a deeper hole for himself. He has no chance now, I think.

Not a hope in this day and age of optics and agenda setting, which he has now lost complete control of.

If people like him are the ones driving womens' football forward, then something is badly wrong. You'd think it would be the players themselves who are in the main role in that.

It's not my opinion he has done more for womens football in Spain than all of his predecessors combined.

Including now being part of their first major international honour.

I never could have predicted it personally.