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Should RTE stop airing Father Ted?

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,419 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Where did they claim to speak for all gay people?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 542 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Linehan said he was sceptical of gender self-identification, objecting to "privileged white people saying you must accept anyone who says they are a woman". He said that "anyone suffering from gender dysphoria needs to be helped and supported", but voiced concern over early transgender intervention for children.[26





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    I didn't. I highlighted the person claiming to be pro LGBTQ has been throwing up lots anti LGBTQ posts so their claim to be pro LGBTQ is utter drivel

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,419 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I know. I was asking the poster who claimed you were.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,867 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    No evidence? You mean besides the tweets where he called trans people and their supporters nonces?

    there's been loads of evidence posted. What you've decided to do is pick one single example. Then create a strawman out of it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,136 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    You could argue all that is true if you wanted. Skeptical, of gender self ID, as distinct to beind opposed to self ID, suggests he hasn't made up his mind on the subject. Is that accurate?

    Is that all he said about trans people and the trans advocates?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,419 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    He's scum.

    In his words: “the trans movement is the Manson family with better PR”; this is a “paedophilic movement”; “almost every central trans figure is a nonce”; and, ­referring to puberty blockers, “I compare it to eugenics programmes” with “a couple of parallels” to those conducted in Nazi ­Germany.

    Those aren't the words of anything but a hateful bigot. He's masquerading behind a mask of concern for women but he's since thrown it away and what we see is a deeply nasty individual.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Meh. He still stalks, harasses and abuses people. He still regularly uses disgusting transphobic slurs about trans people. He is a hatemonger.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,473 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Is Linehan "inciting violence or hatred" or just disagreeing with the ideology?


    I didnt think disagreement was automatically inciting violence.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,936 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Impersonating transgender people in a pretty hateful way would sound like incitement to hate to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Disagreement?

    🤣🤣🤣

    You are taking the piss calling his abuse, harassment, stalking, hateful transphobic diatribes merely "disagreement"

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Calling trans people paedophiles, nonces, evil etc etc. Laughable to suggest he merely disagrees and to pretend there's no harassment, abuse, bigoted hatred ever involved.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,473 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Wouldn't that be more them hating him, rather than him inciting others to hate transgender people?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,473 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Perhaps you are viewing his opinions through a specific lens that wouldn't have you at your most objective?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,473 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Did he say they were all, as a group "paedophiles, nonces, evil, etc, etc"?

    In the quote from ancapailldorcha it would seem that he is of the opinion that a number of the leaders or most vocal spokespersons of the movement are, but not that being trans inherently meant one was a pedophile, nonce or evil.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,936 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    He's impersonating transgender people and taking the piss out of them on dating sites while fear mongering. So it's not them hating him, it's him obsessively haranguing the community.


    ‘I’m a lesbian now! It’s a good thing no-one would ever identify as a woman for nefarious purposes. It just never happens! I’ll let you know if I meet any fellow lesbians, like this cutie! Is he, like me, taking the p***? Who knows! That’s the joy of self-ID!’



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,293 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Any weight to what Linehan is claiming about these individuals in terms of the paedophilia claims, etc.?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,034 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Linehan would have been better off sticking to his comedy writing rather than taking on a silly cause to harass people he doesn't even know. What a bizarre self destruction he engaged in...and for what?

    Are any of his former colleagues even talking to him these days? The Mrs. did a runner after his obsession became absolutely farcical, but I wonder if the likes of Dylan Moran and Arthur Mathews have distanced themselves too.

    The guy just turned into a massive plonker.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    This isn't about me. Linehans behaviour no matter how much you try to downplay it isn't just mere disagreement. It's harassment, abuse and hatemongering. There is plenty of evidence throughout the thread of this.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,293 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If any of his former comedy pals are still in contact, it's on a very down-low type of basis. Bill Bailey was briefly hounded off of Twitter after saying it was a shame the route Linehan had gone down. Linehan had mentioned Bailey in a number of tweets pressuring him to sign a petition of some sort.

    It may be hard for Linehan to understand, but not everyone is as obsessed with the issue as he is. It brings up an old question of if you're a celebrity of any kind, is there an immediate obligation to use your platform in battling the evils of the world? Is it cowardly not to take sides and just do the thing you got famous for in the first place? I don't think it is cowardly, myself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    You can definitely see some homophobia creeping in when you see him nowadays defending Section 28 and bizzare ranting against marriage equality

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,927 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007



    You started this thread with the simplistic suggestion that the proposed law to regulate free speech would prevent people from watching Father Ted. A page straight out of the right wing playbook in the US and to some extent in the UK. Now I don't know whether you believe it or it is just a tactic on your part, but it won't fly in Ireland because you are dealing with a far more sophisticated electorate.

    I expect you thinking that the Irish electorate is dumb, would not understand the implications and all the other excuses that the defeated usually roll out to explain their failure.... But that is very far from the reality. Next to the Swiss, the Irish are a very though lot when it comes to trying to sell simplistic political arguments. I have been involved in political campaigns in both countries and when you knock on doors, discussion constitutional issues with the general public in both countries it is remarkable how similar their approach is. They understand the difference between strategic decisions about how they want the country governed and tactical decision on who they want to do it. For at the heart of both democracies is the concept of a sovereign people - the idea that the average voter is capable of and entitled to determine the destination of the nation. And that breeds a very different type of voter than you have in the US or the UK. So while you are trying to tell them that they'll miss out on Father Ted, they are think: Burning Korans, frivolous cartoons insulting religion and committing treason to overturn an election... ya I think I can do without Father Ted.

    It's over 40 decades ago since I studied Constitutional Law and back then the professor used to say: Never underestimate the ability of the Irish people to figure out what is in their best interests, they may not do it in the way you or I would, but it is remarkable in how often they get it right. And in looking back over the past 40 years I tend to agree with him - they are pretty good a figuring out what is in their best interests. Now I have looked at this legislation and beyond your flight of fancy in interpreting it, there is nothing wrong with this legislation. So you are going to have to come up with a far better argument than Father Ted, if you want to influence anyone outside you cohort on the internet.



  • Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You could say the same about any organisation and have the same weight ie most people are grand and there’s a minority of bad ones



  • Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The saddest thing was the wife co-wrote “motherland “ a decent Netflix , he was credited as a consultant, 2nd series his name is gone and her name changed to maiden name



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,293 ✭✭✭✭briany


    That's not really the issue, though. The issue is more how the organisation responds. That's what the big furore was really about when it came to the sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic Church, that the organisation didn't move to help the law prosecute the individuals involved, but rather moved to protect them.

    Is there weight to Linehan's allegations that certain individuals are getting away with crimes of a sexual nature due to their trans identity, be it these stories being omitted in the media or being treated with kid gloves in the courts. If it is him just having a distorted view of reality, then that's grand, but if there are instances of people getting away with sexual crimes because they're trans, then obviously that's an issue that needs correcting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭TagoMago


    This is well worth noting and also shows why Glinner should be a cautionary tale of how low people can fall from getting swept up in internet wormholes and obsessing about culture war stuff.

    Comparing him to some of his contemporary C4 comedy writers , and what they went on to achieve; Charlie Booker created Black Mirror, Jesse Armstrong created Succession, and Glinner.... spends his days trying to dox random trans people on the internet. It's baffling really, especially considering the high regard Father Ted is still held in, here and in the UK. He should have his pick of work, now no one would touch him with a ten foot pole.

    Saying that, I definitely do not think RTE should stop airing Father Ted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Even before the internet was invented, you could feud with your neighbours.

    "Keep out of foolish quarrels. You know that they start fights." - 2 Timothy 2:23-25 - Worldwide English (New Testament)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,034 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Well, to paraphrase someone else on the thread, its such peculiar hill to die on. To go about destroying one's career, family life and friendships just because he feels the need to draw battle lines with a tiny, tiny, fraction of humanity who, by and large, just want to be left alone to try and deal with the hand they've been dealt in life, is truly a spectacular withering of one's self. Blowing all of that simply to be a knob on social media to people you've never even met face to face.

    It screams of some serious mental issues that need to be addressed.

    And, of course, 'Father Ted' shouldn't be taken off the air. Nor should 'The IT Crowd'. The very idea is ludicrous.



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