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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Don’t give in to Russian propaganda narratives, Ukraine has won sometime last year, what we are doing now is watching just how much Putin and Russia loses (or for that matter if there be a Russia left)

    Isn't this you doing the opposite of what you claim Russian propaganda intendeds to do? Ukraine has already won, is something you don't even believe, and if you do it's an absurd thing to believe, yet you do so to keep the spirt of victory alive, even if you don't truly believe it. This isn't a Marvel movie, the "good guy" don't always win.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    Europe or the world has not done enough not even close to enough. Ukraine is in ruins and it looks to be unable to push the Russians out. We all know why the weapons and planes haven't been supplied in the numbers required and that is simply because Putin has nuclear weapons and is probably stupid enough to use them. Without that threat the much wanted Crimea beach party would have happened last summer.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,250 ✭✭✭✭briany


    @firemansam4

    A Russian victory is subjective. At the start of the war a Russian victory might have been the complete surrender of Ukraine.

    No 'might' about it. The original objective was to topple the Zelenskyy government and prevent the country from leaving Russia's sphere of influence. To that end, Russia undertook a lightning invasion on three fronts. Or, well, it was supposed to be a lightning invasion but was hamstrung by a combination of really bad intel and endemic incompetence/corruption within the ranks of the Russian military. What has ensued is a bloody, brutal war of attrition which is exactly what Putin was looking to avoid with the original plan, but he cannot quit it as he seems to believe that to do so would be the end of Russia or, rather, the end of him, and he likely fears that more.

    The complete surrender of Ukraine remains the thing Putin wants to achieve, but he never can, now. To shift the goalposts to, say, taking the Donbass is clearly what it is - a downward revision of the original objective in order to retain some domestic political standing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    There's certainly something to be said for the fact the western world isn't giving ukraine enough to completely overpower Russia and win all their territory back by force.

    But if the counter offensive in the south is even moderately successful. Even through to Tokmak. Then Crimea is a dead end. The kerch bridge is nothing but a future underwater tourist sightseeing adventure. Ukraine have shown that the Russians can't protect it or repair it quickly. And once it goes then how does Crimea get resupplied?

    Russia knows this. Ukraine knows this. Which is why the south is so heavily mined and the fighting such a tough slog. It's also why i suspect that Russia is throwing men at Ukranian lines in the north.They're not really gonna retake Luhansk so they're trying so hard to distract. But no-one here has a crystal ball. We don't know how this will pan out.

    One thing is for sure though. If Ukraine give up where they are they'll never get ANY territory back. Negotiation is useless with Putins Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,250 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I wonder if when Putin hears the words "Let's negotiate...", does he really hear, "I'm weak and vulnerable."?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,618 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    But "the West" is providing more and more equipment and better and more lethal armaments. Things are arriving this year which were not on the table last year.

    I get that Ukraine could do with x10 of everything, but that was never offered or promised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    It's curious how the same lines of argument, with similar phraseology pops up. Just co-incidence I guess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,660 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain



    Luhansk is full of Natural Gas an Oil. It's certainly in Russia's interests to reclaim it.

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    At the moment, I think Ukraine took their eye off the ball a bit as the accumulation of forces was flagged a few weeks back. They haven't made as many mistakes as Russia in the invasion but they're not unflappable and have made some.


    What happens when Russia accumulates large forces? They've shown they're not just there to conduct military excercises, which was the precursor to the invasion in the first place. And Russia have also shown they place attack over defence, even when it's just a mindless meat grinder. I suspect that's what's happened in Luhansk. No master strategy by the Russians. Accumulate forces and push forward. They have probably surprised themselves with making ground so easily. I really hope it was intentional by Ukraine to try and allow a salient develop before hammering it.... we'll see. But for the moment it looks like they haven't learned from Russian tactics for now. Their own soldiers have commented on the size of Russia's trenches. They could have adopted some of the deployed Russian defence methods which are proving difficult to breach. I'm hoping to be proven wrong and see the salient squashed from 3 sides.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,521 ✭✭✭zv2


    I believe the Migs they have are updated with western weapons.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct


    You're like Saruman and his tainted palantir. News from Andriivka saying russia lost alot tanks, BMPs and troops slaughtered with cluster muntions in a botched attack and another general major sacked. russia is on the back foot everywhere, their artillery is being worn out and destroyed with no hope of ever being replaced and ammo dumps blowing up all around them. All they have now is trenches and mine fields, their capacity to launch any counter offensive is goosed.

    https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/07/26/frontline-report-russians-abandon-andriivka-crucial-russias-logistical-hub-near-bakhmut/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,739 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    I don’t think so myself. In my opinion The main reason is that Europe is not in war economy mode and does not want to switch war economy mode. Therefore the stock of weapons to give away to another country is very finite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,660 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Progress being reported in Staromaiorske.


    Some are saying it's liberated but not seeing that claim being widespread. I think Ukraine are only in the Northern part of the settlement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,041 ✭✭✭jmreire




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭firemansam4




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,643 ✭✭✭rogber


    Your last paragraph is stated as fact when at the moment it's pure fantasy. For Russia to handover top politicians and generals for war crimes trials, and pay massive reparations, a lot will have to change within the country. There is no guarantee any of that can happen, it's just a wild hope



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,030 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    I think it's sort of a stalemate already, but is a stalemate really a stalemate, can Russian economy/society keep up this effort. The west is pretty unlikely to lose interest, as it seems Russia hoped. Putin held on despite a mutiny, but how long can he avoid internal revolt from the elites or the wider public. I don't think he'll get away with a couple more years of this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    Simple I dont think Ukraine can win with what they have been given.

    The west and particularly the US have helped and are helping with many weapons, but I think a lot more and faster can be done. Why keep delaying f16 training? Why is long range weapons off the agenda for the US?

    I dont want to see any of this help stop, I want to see Ukraine get much more, and maybe enough to give them a chance.

    But I also dont just blindly believe Ukraine will win and take back Crimea and although very unpalatable, I believe they may have to contend with negotiations of some form in the future.

    I hope im proved wrong on this, ill gladly take people bringing up my posts in the future to rub it in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,618 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    The only country at war with Russia is Ukraine. There is zero obligation for any other country to provide aid, except in self-interest.

    European countries will be happy if Russian advances are halted, and the US seems to be happy to bleed Russia white. We can argue about the humanitarian impact on Ukrainians, but when has human suffering ever ended a war,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,881 ✭✭✭SlowBlowin


    The antics of Wagner PMC

    Something of a clandestine operation is going on between Putin/Wagner (IMO). According to Denys a convoy of heavy armour is now heading to the Wagner camp in Belarus.

    I think in the next week or so we will possibly see Wagner, and maybe the Belarusian army, push down the western border of Ukraine towards Lviv to disrupt the supply of western weapons. They could go direct to Kyiv but I think the push towards Lviv makes more sense for Putin.

    The Russian military machine is really ramping up and production of weapons like the new Lancet2 are going to make a big difference, it appears the west has no answer to the Lancet (see my previous post on the Lancet). 

    The western ramp up of arms production is going a lot slower than the Russians, and I think the window of opportunity for the western arms to make a difference is rapidly closing. Russia can get all the technology supplies they need via China and Iran, unless Putin is overthrown or the army rebels against Putin I cant see anything positive for Ukraine in the future.

    With no active negotiations going on, the west has really reduced Putin's options, Biden really needs to change direction fast or risk dragging the west into a much bigger conflict. 

    I really hope and pray that Russia is evicted from Ukrainian land, but I just can't see it happening with current strategies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct


    Hilarious vatnik nonsense they feed their own. Lads how on earth can ye root for a country spouting this Orwellian scutter



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,739 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I see a German Intelligence assessment of the Ukranian Counteroffensive was leaked to De Bild. Regarding the Lancet, if what you say is true, militaries adapt and a solution will be found. There was a stage where everyone thought Russia's Hypersonic missile was unstoppable, we soon found out that it can be neutralised. The Russians have also done the same during the course of the war

    I really can't see Belarus getting involved directly in the war. Lukashenko is happy to stay on the sidelines. Belarus entering the war could be the end for him. Putin for all his bluster won't risk a direct confrontation with the west. Which is what such a move could bring about.

    That's why his bluff should also be called on the blockade of Ships heading to and from Ukranian ports.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,353 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Whats the story with gas in Europe for next winter? Think Putin was outta luck last year with the mildest winter in yonks. Is Europe sorted? Iirc German industry etc took a huge hit last winter with electricity n gas prices inflation. Now high interest rates as a result.

    Will Europe start pushing for negotiations if no breakthrough militarily. Think the yanks will be happy out for war to continue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,881 ✭✭✭SlowBlowin


    I called it the Lancet 2 which is wrong, I believe its referred to as Izdelie-53. I think its abilities surprised everyone, including the Russians, it has well over 100 confirmed hits on all types of hardware.

    Hopefully it has a weakness, but I have yet to see it counter effectively.

    Lukashenko has just finished a 3 day meeting with Putin (extended by 2 days), I wonder what they were talking about, surely at a time like this Putins main focus must be winning the war ?

    I agree the blockade should be tested.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,064 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Is a bit of a one-sided view, I wouldn't be as concerned.

    With no active negotiations going on, the west has really reduced Putin's options, Biden really needs to change direction fast or risk dragging the west into a much bigger conflict. 

    Putin can end the war at any time. He choses not to. I don't see the war escalating unless Putin escalates it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,353 ✭✭✭enricoh




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,881 ✭✭✭SlowBlowin


    I was surprised to learn that the new leader of PMC Wagner in Belarus is a Ukrainian !




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,139 ✭✭✭thomil


    What's more, a number of LNG terminals that were just beginning construction this time last year have since become operational, even in Germany, where the authorities were dragging their heels so hard that they nearly formed a new valley. Germany alone has opened Terminals in Wilhelmshaven, Lubmin and Brunsbüttel, with another terminal to start operating near Stade, incidentally where I spent my childhood, this winter. What's more, additional terminals at Wilhelmshaven are also supposed to go online later this year. So even if we end up with a really harsh winter, which I doubt, given how the global climate seems to be going off the rails this year, there's plenty of additional import capacity even in that one country alone.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,881 ✭✭✭SlowBlowin


    Yes I agree, but Putin is escalating it right now and with no other options open to him, as a withdrawal will certainly be the end for him personally, he is going to continue to escalate things. The longer there is a drip feed of weapons, the more time he has to get his military in order.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭Blarney_man


    When I told my better half that we didn't go to school for 2 years, and still ended up as decent high performing human beings, that made their life abroad, she couldn't believe it. Only when I took her there and showed how much is still destroyed, how many people are still suffering, she understood what I/we went through. But she also understood why I'm not afraid. I can walk down O'Connell street in Dublin and get attacked, I'll throw them all down the river and go for a meal, they might have a knife, but I might have .... Balls 😉



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,881 ✭✭✭SlowBlowin


    This interview pretty much sums up my view on things:




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