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Was arrested for shop lifting

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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,499 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    Why would you not take the adult caution in this case? If you don't then it's up to the judge really whether they think it's a reasonable excuse. You choice is take the caution and that's the last you hear of it for your life or take your chances in court, which could result in a conviction.

    OP mentioned that they are worried that caution would stand against them in a future case, but if they are law abiding anyway, what future case would that pertain to?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,242 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    They say that they have been 'law abiding' and look what has happened. Seems being law abiding isn't such a secure thing for them to be.

    They have an adult caution and somebody has (or hasn't) evidence that they are a habitual shoplifter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,714 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    If the bags were never moved when she was paying for the other goods, it’s quite possible - admitting you walked out without paying is not stealing- it’s a mistake.


    However, I grant you though, that having not paid for an expensive headset item along with “many other items” as the OP has mentioned, sounds a little fishy, especially as the bill only came to 60 euro and the OP isn’t flush with money as she admits herself- - it might be a bridge too far for a judge to believe- one or two very small items like a lemon or a pack of chewing gum for example, are totally understandable . Shopping for a number of extra goods, not seeing them come past at the checkout, not packing them away, paying less than you expected given the goods you put in your trolley? It’s harder to believe.

    OK, you’ve convinced me- the adult caution is the best worst option in this case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,441 ✭✭✭✭Witcher



    It most certainly would have seen the inside of a court.

    I don't think you understand the prosecution process here...if the OP had rejected the caution they would have had a charge sheet read over to them there and then, a copy handed to them and been bailed to a court date within 30 days. That's the reality.

    If the OP wants to take a court date and have the footage of them putting items under bags and leaving shown to the court room they're still allowed take that option up until the Adult Caution is administered.

    The alternative of taking the caution and making sure no more 'mistakes' happen is best for the OP is they want to keep their job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,242 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    No problem taking the caution.

    But I would want to know what the other allegation was based on, from a peace of mind perspective, if nothing else.



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  • Posts: 14,769 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think you will just keep trying to spin this until every other poster is exhausted, but you ignore the inescapable fact. The op was not law abiding in this instance, whether accidental or malicious, she walked out with multiple unpaid items. It wasn’t as case that she absent mindedly walked out, she paid for goods while apparently concealing others at the till under bags. I believe her mistake was genuine, but that does not diminish the fact that she appears to have clearly shoplifted. So again Francie, try and view this from the standpoint of damage limitation. Going to court, risking your reputation and job isn’t damage limitation when you are offered a much lesser sanction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 172 ✭✭pat_sconce


    I despise that attitude. That suggests that you should shoplift at will and if you get caught, just pay and walk away.

    BTW, guess who pays for all the security and lost goods? - Yep, YOU do. Maybe if stores took away the built in theft and security cost and added 3% at the end of your bill and called it Shoplifter's premium you'd take a different attitude.


    For the OP, it is highly unlikely this is your first time. The security guy is probably right in saying he has seen you do it. But you yourself won't accept it as it was possibly an alter-ego at the time. You then say menopause is not the excuse when it probably is. The menopause can be hugely disruptive especially if you are peri-menopausal. But you don't seem to want to accept it and using the excuse that the GP has a long waiting list. A GP will always have cancellations and will always see serious issues in a timely manner.

    So change your thought process. Accept the menopause is most likely the disruption that has caused this and get onto your GP and say you need an urgent appointment. There may be other underlying issues within the head that are coming to the fore with the menopause and a good GP will have seen it before, but be 100% truthful to the GP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,242 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    How is asking a question going to impinge on their job?

    Is the store going to contact their employer? Why would they do that?

    Could you stop the scaremongering for a minute and accept that there isn't just one way forward here?

    They want to know as they have clearly outlined. They are willing to take responsibility for past demeanours (both to repay the items taken and to ensure they get help if there are continued lapses/blackouts etc or whatever the hell happened) but need to know what they were. That is being a responsible adult IMO and no judge would look unfavourably on that if in the unlikely event it went to court when it hasn't already. I think a judge would look very unfavourably on a situation were a store concocted something to make a case of forgetfulness into a shoplifting offence.

    Again, if you are happy to be a wallflower here and live with the wondering, do nothing. But it isn't the only thing to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,714 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Unlikely you’ll ever find out I’m afraid - my own view is it could all have simply been a standard practice thing to say to someone who has obviously walked out the door without paying for something- in other words, EVERYONE, who walks out the door without paying for goods, gets told the same thing- it’s likely they’re correct in most cases, but not necessarily in all cases- but I’ve no doubt people steal regularly from the same supermarket so every possibility a supermarket has a list of offenders they wish to catch in the act over time.

    If the OP did this innocently once, might she have innocently done it many times? Possibly- BUT- when I lift my shopping bags from the trolley into the car, the shopping bags I’ve packed myself- the ones I’ve filled with the goods that I’ve purchased with my hard earned money- if I saw some expensive items and multiple groceries at the bottom of my trolley unpacked, I’d certainly check my bill first, and having found I didn’t pay for said goods, I’d return straight away to the shop.

    So it’s stands to reason that if the OP didn’t experience such circumstances as above then it’s unlikely they actually have any evidence that she previously shoplifted



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,068 ✭✭✭runningbuddy


    I just couldn't cope with the idea of a court case even with the best representation, etc... I really couldn't. Was down this road previously in relation to my Dad's will and honestly, it was so stressful and draining and in the end, absolutely not worth it. One of my most let's say bull headed friends is saying I'm insane to accept the caution and fight it all the way but I couldn't deal with this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,068 ✭✭✭runningbuddy


    My confidence has taken such a blow. 😑 and anxiety now through the roof. I just feel like a total scyster, scumbag, etc.....I'm usually so on the ball about everything and can't believe I was so bloody careless



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,242 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Well, in that case you are going to have to find a way to live with wondering and hoping it doesn't happen again, because if you come back to the gardai for another caution it is to court you will be going.

    Go see a doctor and tell them this (accept the habitual shoplifting over several months allegation ) has happened and ask them how you can stop it, is the only option.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,714 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    You took the adult caution- it’s done now or will be. My mistake as citizens advice mentions it doesn’t appear in Garda vetting so I don’t think you have to worry about that- go to your doctor - I think you need some good old reassurance that all will be ok. After that, forget about it- move on - you’re not a thief. You are innocent under the eyes of the law. Go out and treat yourself with something nice- just remember to pay for it 😀



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,930 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    In my opinion the Sergeant is correct in suggesting an adult caution is the best outcome in the circumstances and given your place of employment. Keeping this thing as low key as possible is the objective and if you were to contest it, there is the risk that it would get into the media, even if you won. And the chances are high that it would come up on a background check going forward. Most of this work is now outsourced and the agencies that to background checks are very motivated to justify their fees, so enhance their reports from any sources they can find such as local papers etc...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 721 ✭✭✭HazeDoll


    I would imagine reading this thread hasn't helped.

    People are so quick to condemn on an anonymous forum, it's probably the last thing you need. This is partly why I suggested telling your friends all about it. Talking with real people who know and like you will help you to see this in perspective. It's unpleasant, it's embarrassing, but it's not the end of the world.

    Chat to your friends, have a bit of a laugh about it and put it behind you.

    It's highly unlikely you've been having blackouts during which you've become a serial shoplifter. It's possible you've been having foggy moments and messed up a few times. It's more probable you just had an absent-minded attack of the stupids and accidentally forgot to pay for something.

    Whatever the explanation, this discussion is unlikely to make you feel better. The tone of a lot of the replies suggest you are either the reincarnation of John Gotti or you are mentally deranged. It's terrible to see strangers taking such glee in your misfortune.

    Get offline, go and chat to real people. You'll feel better.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Leaving the shop without paying is stealing.

    not accepting an adult caution means going to court. Now what is better?



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    If course it would go to court, that's what happens when you don't accept a caution!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,714 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    They may have commenced the process of a court prosecution but no guarantee it would have gone ahead- every possibility it could get thrown out for a variety of reasons-



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Brain fog and anxiety are very real symptoms of menopause and peri menopause. As a poster suggested, head to your gp and speak with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,714 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Theft involves intent- the OP hasn’t claimed they intended to take these items - only that the mistakenly didn’t pay for them.



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  • Posts: 14,769 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So anyone who claims a crime was a mistake lacks intent? That’s an interesting viewpoint, how do criminals ever get convicted?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,639 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Sorry, but neither menopause or forgetfulness is a reasonable excuse for a criminal action.

    Showing up in court, with video evidence of the OP stealing the goods, and claiming "Oh but it was my menopause" will get you laughed at. And convicted. And in the OP's case, unemployed.

    Society has invented a way to minimise the disruption caused by one-off incidents which in the opinion of the guards are unlikely to be part of a patters. This way has been applied.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Wow, never heard a shoplifter say that before!!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,068 ✭✭✭runningbuddy


    Oh I totally agree. One Sergeant sat down with me and asked if there was anything going on in my life. Was I stressed etc. I do suffer from Generalised Anxiety Disorder and am treated for this. I made him aware of this and told him my sister passed away recently and that has taken it's toll. He suggested counselling through Employee Assistance from work. He was very sympathetic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,714 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I never said that- it’s up to the courts to find that a theft took place- who knows what might come out at a court hearing had it gone ahead. We can only go with what the OP says which is that it was a mistake- you seem to be implying otherwise- off you go to the OP so, I can’t help you.

    It’s up to a court to prove she stole- likely it would come down to who the judge believes on the day - right now, her claim was that she didn’t know she didn’t pay for those items or simply forgot to pay for them. It’s not up to you thankfully to decide whether she did or not- that’s the role of a judge. Right now, she’s innocent under the eyes of the law.

    considering she’s now saying she’s suffering from anxiety and what not, who knows what a judge will believe on the day or how they might proceed - but since it’s not going to happen now, that’s the end of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,714 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN




  • Administrators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,805 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭hullaballoo


    It's a valid point, albeit blithely made. Please leave the moderating to the moderators.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,714 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Apologies- I didn’t mean it as a back seat mod- it was more I couldn’t believe someone would post that considering the OP, but point taken. Thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,714 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I disagree and I don’t see the OPs medical conditions as a laughing matter- it’s possible that at least one of these conditions is what has caused this misunderstanding.

    The main point the OP made was, she didn’t know she had unpaid for goods in her cart. Maybe she had half a dozen bags from other shops in the trolley as often happens; maybe she brought 8 reusable bags and only needed 5 and the other 3 covered these goods, as can happen. She has now said she suffers from a condition- being in a busy shop may have brought on extra anxiety, she got distracted and simply forgot about the items- who knows- people innocently leave supermarkets every day without paying for goods/

    from my own experience it’s that small bit of cheese shaped like a wedge that actually wedges itself into the corner of the trolley; or a roll on deodorant that literally “rolls” into the corner of the trolley- they are the sort of items I find when I check my trolley after I load what I think is all my shopping onto the counter.

    I admit it’s harder to put forward a case for multiple items, one being an expensive one- but look, none of us have a picture of the trolley on the day so who knows- I wouldn’t be “laughing” at the OPs medical conditions and I don’t think a judge would either, regardless of what decision they made



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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Unfortunately, that is what the OP is. She has admitted the offence.

    I'm not at all unsympathetic to the OP and have expressed that in the thread. She is still a shoplifter.



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