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GAA Infastructure

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,745 ✭✭✭threeball


    I doubt very many soccer teams want to co-operate stadiums with GAA teams mainly because the pitch dimensions are so drastically different and having fans so far away from the action isn't appealing on a week in week out basis. It's fine for a charity game or one off big attendance game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,904 ✭✭✭eire4


    No question GAA fields are bigger then a typical soccer field. The maximum size allowed for a GAA pitch is 145x90m with the minimum being 130x80m. The equivalents for soccer are maximum 120x90 and minimum of 90x45m although no professional team would play on a soccer field anywhere near that small. I see no issue with a pitch being laid that is say 140x85m. Hardly so drastic a difference as to make playing in a joint stadium untenable. GAA could use the full dimensions if they wanted and you would have a maximum sized soccer field that would only be 20 meters shorter so 10 meters behind each goal line and it would only be 5 meters narrower thus only 2.5 meters in on each side line. Hardly major issues and hardly is 10 meters behind each goal and 2.5 meters along each side far away as to be an issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,250 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    I dont think Dundalk want to go in with them as they are looking to develop Oriel Park themselfs when ever the ownership issues of the ground get sorted.

    Hopefully this will get sorted shortly even if they only get the pitch and main stand built and they can build the terraces at a later stage.

    It seams a bit late in the day by the GAA pulling the plug consider they where to start this week unless croke park had being privatly telling them not to start



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,745 ✭✭✭threeball


    Old trafford is 106 x 76. Anfield 101 x 68 and these are teams that are very strong and would like to play expansive football. I doubt Dundalk or Cork City want to play European teams on a pitch 120m x 90.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,622 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Given the state of some grounds I'de say they could be convinced by the lure of a nice stand they can't afford themselves.

    Waterford currently play on an athletics track and Connacht rugby a greyhound stadium.

    It wouldn't suit everyone but it's a pity it's not an option.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,066 ✭✭✭kksaints


    It's only really an option for counties which don't have good stadiums in either sport. It'd be great for Waterford, Louth and maybe Wicklow if land could be found for a stadium in Bray. But for counties like Cork, Limerick or Kilkenny it wouldn't really be an option due to scale.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,622 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Ya I agree. Limerick soccer looked lost in Thomond Park never mind the Gaelic Grounds.

    Cork on the other hand has Turner's Cross, Musgrave and Parc I Rinn which could all be one stadium. Although I imagine the pitch size would be something Cork City fans would be against.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,352 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Despite the fantasy which some here keep promoting, shared stadiums are not the answer. Why would Dundalk FC pump millions of Euro into a stadium which they won't own and from which most of the revenue will go to someone else? Dundalk get 2 - 3k at a game, why would they give up stadium revenue to have capacity for an extra 10k which they never need?

    No soccer team is going to want to play on a pitch of maximum permitted dimensions, it puts them at a disadvantage for every away game. No GAA team wants the minimum dimension pitch, players are extremely fit these days and everyone wants the max size pitch possible. The pitches are incompatible, trying to make it work suits nobody and shows why these shares don't happen - everyone would have to compromise for the benefit of nobody.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,538 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Shared stadiums are the answer. it helps everyone. Dundalk would share ownership. reduces some costs for them. they get a bigger stadium then they would if on their own and this is the same at all levels in sport in ireland. we need to have more multiple use venues.

    saying no GAA team wants minimum dimension pitch. whats that based on?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,384 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Why would a GAA team want a minimum pitch in a new stadium? Why build anything new to a minimum standard when you can do better? The needs of another sport are not a reason. There is a probably some high tech solution which moves the stand or adds additional seats at the front, but this is not going to be an economic runner in a provincial venue.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,904 ✭✭✭eire4


    Totally agree with you its very late in the day and beyond highly unlikely they would get together for a joint stadium. I do think though this is a better way forward where we would be able to get better facilities for multiple codes to be able to benefit from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,904 ✭✭✭eire4


    I don't think whether the pitch is small medium or big is going to make any real difference to how Dundalk or Cork City fair against anybody even half way decent in Europe. Plus playing on a bigger pitch would make it easier to play open attractive football which I would be all for personally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,745 ✭✭✭threeball


    Its hard to be attractive when you're 8-0 down to some Polish also ran.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,904 ✭✭✭eire4


    League of Ireland teams as is are going nowhere in European competition against any half decent opposition regardless of the size of the pitch. But having better grounds with bigger pitches would certainly encourage and hopefully enable a better more attractive domestic game to grow which in time could be built on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,352 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    "Dundalk would share ownership", great that you have decided that, but where do they get the money to pay there share? Let me guess, sell Oriel Park, so instead of owning a stadium with indoor training facility, bar, shop and an underground car park, they get a stadium with less facilities and have to share income, plus having to consider other sports when scheduling their use of the stadium.

    And why do they want a bigger stadium when they rarely need the capacity of their existing stadium? That's not a benefit to them.

    I've never heard anyone with any interest in GAA suggesting that a smaller pitch would be better. There are 30 players on a GAA pitch and are very fit, even at club level. Maybe I'm wrong but in my experience, a bigger pitch is preferred by almost everyone (and especially club/county officials who wont have to run around on it). A minimum sized pitch just to accommodate sharing with a soccer club would be seen as a big compromise which few would be willing to make.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,352 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Playing all your home games on the maximum sized pitch would put a team at a disadvantage every second week when they have to play away on a smaller pitch. The bigger pitch wouldn't be such a disadvantage to those visiting your ground. Having an extra few metres to work with isn't as bad as finding yourself with less space than you are used to, you'd need to adapt how you play every second week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,622 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Do they own Oriel Park ?

    My information is a few years old but redevelopment was held up because they didn't own the lease. They also didn't own the indoor facilities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,352 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    I believe the ownership is still in dispute. If they don't have any ownership, that only makes it harder for them to put up the millions required to pay for their share of a new stadium. The shared stadium doesn't work either way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,250 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    No its on a lease from a local family. Louth GAA arre saying the launch of the stadium is off untill next month with Peter Fitz gone it could be longer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,904 ✭✭✭eire4


    Thats why its an advantage to play at home. Plus thats why teams train during the week to prepare for whats next up. Just like teams playing on turf now prepare and train on grass when playing away on grass.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,250 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Looks like the GAA had warned the louth county board not to sign contracts or start work previously




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭crusd


    They couldn’t even if they wanted to. While the rules of the game state up to 120m, individual competitions have their own regulations. For UEFA competitions pitches must be between 100 and 105m long and 65 and 68 wide.

    It would certainly not benefit a LOI side to have to shorten their pitch by 15m and narrow it by 12m every time they went to play in European competition.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,172 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


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    Pure madness down in Kerry.

    This is the proposal for the upgrade of Fitzgerald Stadium.

    A new two tier stand

    A rebuilt of the existing stand

    An all seater uncovered end

    And a rebuilt of the "slope" (that up to about 5 years ago had concrete seats) at one end into a terrace.

    All for what?

    A few games that you might play v Mayo or Dublin or Tyrone in the group stages and the hope that Cork get better and Munster finals become a thing again.

    Tralee will still want to keep those lucrative Saturday night league games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,622 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Absolutely fuking stupid.

    I can understand the new main stand and a new west terrace but ripping down the recently build east terrace is dumb and god knows what the double tier part under the new roof is for.

    You'de swear Kerry people are trying to live up to the gombeen stereotype at times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,250 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Its since before Covid since i was there and i taught it was a fine spot to watch a game. Does work really need to be done?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,622 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Well the west terrace is already gone so I can see them wanting that replaced and no harm having more roofing. If they want a new seating area why not make the west side a stand and leave the east alone.

    Main stand I think is pretty old and could be renovated with better facilities and seats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,002 ✭✭✭WesternZulu


    But Cork has a big new shiny stadium so they need one too.

    Never mind the fact that they situated in a part of the country far away from other football strongholds so the potential to draw big crowds just isn't there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,606 ✭✭✭shockframe


    Why the need to remove the terracing.

    Its one of the best things about the Stadium.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,352 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    You'd hope that the clubs and people generally in Kerry will tell the KCB don't come looking for money from us for your vanity project. Improvements are certainly needed but this is ridiculous. The GAA should also be telling them now that significant money wont be coming from them, particularly with how they pulled the plug on Louth so late in the day.



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