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LC Written Examiners, 2022

gaiscioch

Judging by the request for examiners again today, there seems to still be a shortage of examiners. I applied to examine two subjects, and I rang up today and was told I will be marking one of them. Last time I did it, the net income was about 48% and it was paid four months later, in November, if I recall. I wasn't doing it for the money, needless to say, but that SEC set-up still had a sting of contempt about it.

Now, it is online marking so how does that compare, and what is the money like after all the deductions? (I'm marking all LC HL papers)

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Treppen

Norma was saying on RTE radio one the other morning that the SEC were happy they have enough to mark papers!

Do I believe her though?

am_zarathustra

I did the JC for a couple of years before LC. It's a much better way of starting, the LC is tough by comparison. Not sure my exact gross last year, maybe around 8 grand for LC HL but in a subject not struggling as badly as others and the surprise of being finished a few days before Sprioc La.

I find the "I can't save for a house" bit funny too. I did July provision, superintending, exam secretary and correcting over a few years, sometimes 3 at a time. We've a few very sensible young staff who are saving and doing all the extra. A lot have or will buy houses soon. It is phenomenally difficult alone though, the small cheap one/two beds don't exist anymore.

TJ23

A JC examiner living near Dublin with no income for the summer would need to be living rent-free and have no PME loan. Otherwise they would need access to more money than the SEC contract is worth. Then you return to school to be told "you must have done really well". You're right Grueller - they don't align.

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120639378#Comment_120639378

They should have been on the payslip for October. The advance payslip has no details on it.

smallgarden

My subject was only €5.67 per paper plus €3 extra. Just did the maths and not sure if they paid me the conference or administration fee. Did those payments come with the main payment? I can find two payments on online banking ,the advance and then a second one in October.

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120637958#Comment_120637958

Are you marking online? It’s probably so that they can get you set up with the marking website and get the sample script marked so they can give you clearance to get going with it. They mightn’t have the capabilities to have everyone online in the marking conference venues.

gaiscioch

My conference is one day in Athlone and another online. Is that so they don't have to pay for an overnight stay?

gaiscioch

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120637381#Comment_120637381

500 papers! You're a machine! That's phenomenal self-discipline and focus. Well done.

Grueller

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120637381#Comment_120637381

Ah I understand the process well, I have marked for near on 20 years. I started straight out of college back in the boom, because I wanted a deposit for a house. I stuck with it and with a two component subject and a promotion to advising I net a nice tidy 5 figure sum each year. The eldest will hopefully start 3rd level in 3 years so it might come in handy then.

Random sample

You do generally have to do at least a year of junior cert before they will give you leaving cert, so the wages may not be that high the first year.

Conferences are in person this year, so that and the €700 will add a bit to the take home pay.

My JC subject was €8 per paper before the €3 was added, so 170 of them would have given more than €1400. Obviously you couldn’t help what happened last year, but the next 170 wouldn’t have taken as long to mark either, so it wouldn’t be double the time it took last year to do 340. The faffing about at the start with learning the marking scheme and doing the sample does slow things down a bit.

dory

If they're younger they might be doing JC? Or an exam with one subject? I did over 500 papers which is very unusual. I had some bills....

Grueller

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120637305#Comment_120637305

That is a fair wedge of extra readies on top of the regular wage. I hear young teachers giving out about it that it isn't worth doing, then giving out that they can't save for a deposit. The two don't align in my simple mind.

dory

Heard today for the first time of someone being on a waiting list to be an LC marker.

I made just shy of €8k net last summer. That was a HL subject with two papers and I marked for about 5 weeks straight.

smallgarden

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120635990#Comment_120635990

My figures were pretty much the gross amount as I wasn't working most of last year so didn't have to pay tax. I corrected about 170 papers to get €1400

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120635442#Comment_120635442

I would imagine those amounts quoted were gross.

smallgarden

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120534486#Comment_120534486

I earned about €1400 last year correcting jc. I was sick so had to send back half my scripts. Even with the estimate of the remaining scripts it'd bring me to €2800 nowhere near the €4800 they estimate that jc correctors typically make. If you include this years extra 700 it's still only 3500 a good 1300 off their estimate.

pandoraj09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120620865#Comment_120620865

Depends on your subject and the level you are correcting. After all deductions and on the high tax rate I got over 7 grand net last year.

History Queen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120620865#Comment_120620865

Sorry to piggy back on this and I don't wish to derail, but does anyone have any experience of the advising examiner position? I've been asked to do it and details of what the job entails/workload and pay haven't been sent yet. I saw a post on Teachers Voice Only asking for similar info so there must be a couple of new Advising Examiners coming on board this year.

spurious

Just to reiterate they are still looking for people in many (though not all) subjects. People who can examine through Irish are always needed. The Athlone hotel situation has been complicated by the Prince of Wales not being available for some reason - closed? Permanently full?

Unless someone is on the low rate of tax it's not a great deal moneywise but it is absolutely worth doing for the benefit of the students you teach. As you examine the papers, the ones coming from candidates who have had teachers who have examined themselves start to stand out.

Being 'well in' with the SEC after a few years is always helpful too, as you can progress in different areas - Advising Examiner, Drafter, Setter etc..

gaiscioch

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120616266#Comment_120616266

Most definitely. I was automatically appointed to my usual (LC HL) subject but I also applied to mark another (LC HL) subject, expressing a preference for it as it would help my teaching in that subject. I got a call last week from the SEC saying there was a vacancy in the new subject so I changed subjects.

pandoraj09

In my LCHL subject we have 2 days in Athlone and 1 online. I'd much prefer the 3 days online. Hotel prices in Athlone really increased. The Radisson is over 200 euro a night!

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120615973#Comment_120615973

Each subject gets a different rate, depending on how long they expect them to take. You get the €6 for every script. This is the first year of marking conference day 1 in person and day 2 online, so I don’t know what the fees are like, but we used to get a 2 day conference fee, so maybe they’ve split that up a bit.

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120616266#Comment_120616266

Yes.

amacca

Would they still be looking for people I wonder?

gaiscioch

What are the 'Subject specific script fees' like this year for LC HL papers? And what is the 'additional €6 for each script satisfactorily marked at Leaving Certificate'? Surely that is all scripts? How do they check that?

Lastly, if you are one day in conference in person in Athlone and another in conference online do you get both the marking conference fee and the digital marking conference fee?

gaiscioch

€70 per day is not much, especially given that it is the best weather of the year. It also defeats the purpose many of us had when we chose secondary teaching - i.e. to inject work-life balance into our lives by using the holidays for something more personally rewarding than working for somebody else. If somebody is going to spend their holidays working, the finances of teaching as a career are very poor indeed - you would have been better choosing a more financially rewarding career if you're going to use all your teacher holidays for work.

That said, it is worth doing the examining at least once for your own career. You will stand out in an interview and if you're in a stable, secure job where you don't need it on your cv, word gets around that you're exam focused with marking experience and you will have a lot of people contacting you for grinds, etc. You will also find that your students really, really appreciate if you can give them insight into the marking and what they need to do to stand out in their LC exam. The entire dynamics of your classes change when you have that exam focus where the kids thoroughly enjoy competing against each other every week in class exams.

If you're a younger teacher who hasn't marked for the SEC yet, you're not being wise. It's exceedingly difficult to mark when you have young kids. Give yourself the edge now by marking. None of the younger teachers in my school mark exams, preferring to use the summer for enjoying themselves. In this context, be an examiner even once, and you have an edge over them. Also, let your principal know you are doing it because when classes are being allocated she/he will know you're giving a bit more to your professional development.

chases0102

Thanks for the info above, very helpful.

My kids are 3 and 6 - not great ages I don't think and may mean it might not be possible (I am already doing the Superintending)

I know it's hard to say specifically, and you're probably erring on side of caution, but 1800 for 26 days work is about 70 Euro a day.

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I haven’t marked JC since before the additional payments were added in. The €1800 is the minimum I would expect to be paid into my hand for JC.

amacca

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120575054#Comment_120575054

Do you just mean expenses of 1800? That seems a lot lower than the total rates a couple of posts back up

Random sample

It really depends on expenses. If you and your school are 100 km from athlone that’s an extra €167 for the overnight, tax free. Mileage makes a fair difference too.

I would expect at least €1800 for the 26 days work.

obviously it depends on kids ages, but I would have found a summer camp for 4 hours would leave mine wrecked afterwards, so I’d get a couple of hours done while they’d sit in front of the tv, so I’d get 6 hours during the day, and 2 hours done either early in the morning or late at night to fill out my day.