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What happened to Boards.ie - genuine question

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭supermans ghost


    I’d have to agree with both of the above posters, frankly a certain cohort of the moderators are not up to the job, because they bring their own political leanings (mostly left to hard left leaning by todays barometer) in issuing warnings and thread bans to posters, and so effectively stifle open exchange of opinions. As a result people just stop postings as frequently, or simply leave.

    I am an occasional poster and visit the site a few times a week and have received in the past what i felt were in some cases unwarranted warnings from certain moderators who then continue allow certain posters to continue to troll without taking any action and I’m certain it’s because it was a position they happened to support.

    As has been previously stated I think the likes of forums like boards are in slow decline and will soon be extinct due to alternatives like Twitter etc…., but when that day comes, it will have been hastened by their actions.



  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Aliya High Thunderstorm


    I think it would be a good idea if there was a facility to put oneself on “willing to mod” list, which could be evaluated and deactivated if applicant was a troll etc, and which would automatically expire anyway after a year. New accounts would not qualify, people have to prove themselves over a year or two. If person was deemed possibly suitable and a gap needed filling, then a full evaluation & discussion with admins & cmods etc, could made and the person possibly invited to mod. I know this has been discussed before, and deemed impractical, especially on this platform. I’ve done my modding, never again especially on Vanilla 😱 but others might consider it.

    Reddit uses bots to assist with moderation. In the far flung future these could flag up potentially problem posting, so a human mod could examine it in context.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,144 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    100 percent on the pub obnoxious person . I had exact same thoughts when I read it earlier. Everyone knows one.



  • Posts: 405 [Deleted User]


    Sorry, I didn't mean you at all Padre. But there is a coterie of posters who DO act the dick and DO insult others. They get away with it though because of their views. I can't give names but plenty know who I mean.

    People are pointing to things on this thread that have always been complained about for years - bias in moderation being a constant. A small degree of it is to be expected - mods/admins can't be perfect - but it's gone totally bonkers in recent years. Likely since the new interface as numerous mods have given up on the site, so the number active is small.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,809 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    There is an air of nastiness about people online in recent years.

    Maybe it's a lasting effect of the lockdowns, there was a lot of polarisation during that time, be it to do with Covid or all the other societal issues that were going on back then and haven't really been resolved since.

    I'm currently engaged in a thread where I'm being asked for links and evidence. I provide them then I'm told its not good enough, screenshots of exact sentences are needed or I'm not going to be entertained, which feels like a natural progression of the trends of recent years. I've reported a heap of posts and no action seems likely to be taken, so "don't be a dick" no longer seems to apply. Be as unbearable and unreasonable as you like seems to be what's now acceptable.

    It's that type of behaviour that's dragging this site down IMO, there's a group of posters who could do with a talking to because they ruin thread after thread with this crap.

    The fun is definitely absent now and has been for a long time.

    Post edited by nullzero on

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,623 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    A deadly combination of the Donald Trump FAKE NEWS style of arguing, coupled with many news outlets publishing any old rubbish; "Better first than correct"

    First, you disagree with the post, then you disagree with the source, then you disagree with the basic facts, all the while never acknowledging the flaws in your own argument, so the thread goes around in circles and everyone gets p*ssed off. Then you get banned and re-reg immediately to start the merry-go-round again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 807 ✭✭✭Cushtie


    Ah lads tis fairly simple, the fun is gone out of it. There is no bit of craic anymore, or if there is it's fairly rare. I'm here since 2005. I don't post much, but would be on most days reading posts. The day of respectful and balanced discussion on serious topics is long gone. Now it's all, "can you post a link to back up your arguement" See, argument. It's become a debating argumentative site for a few posters who clog up every thread with left this or right that rhetoric.

    I don't blame the Mods. That's a thankless job in this day and age.


    Maybe we have all moved on and the fun stuff isn't what's important to us as it once was. Either way I reckon there is no saving it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,465 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    On the political spectrum, most of the mods are politically moderate/centre aligned.

    This should give you and others a reference by which to judge your own position.

    I would note that some of the most vociferous and subsequently banned posters had very leftist views.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭nachouser


    The search function is currently knacked. Maybe someone can report it to Vanilla?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    To be fair Null "links or GTFO" was a big thing back in the day too. A meme as it were. Though I do take your other points.

    On top of online discourse becoming more polarised it could also be an age thing too and the age demographic on Boards has very much gone towards middle age. Generalistions alert!! People as they age tend to prefer more of a "quiet life" and a lot come to positions on different matters that they'll stick with, so are less keen on the loud noises of dissent or having to or wanting to defend their decided upon positions. Younger people are more likely to be more plastic in that sense and more likely to prefer the more cut and thrust.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,300 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    Links or GTFO is nothing new, of course. The people using it now are the ‘Do your own research’ brigade and don’t believe anything anyway. There is no talking to them.

    I entertained one once for a few posts to see where it went but he just constantly questioned what I posted to the point of ridicule but never countered or answered what I asked him. Obviously added to the ignore list then but it was a useful experiment to see where it went. But it no way to spend your time online, wasting it with a poster like that so people just don’t bother.

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    With all due respect if you had multiple posts of yours deleted in that exchange for said nastiness. I think I reported one post in that thread or so for the past few days and it was the "boo hoo" you wrote at another user. You continue throwing stones from a glass house complaining of nastiness and the like. In another you made categorically false and nasty generalizations of myself, "You always engage in bad faith and look to start arguments with me. My experience of you has been universally negative. You've been nothing but abusive towards me on this site." But less than 5 or 6 pages before that we had had a completely separate exchange that was conducted in good faith and ended on mutual agreement which you seemed to completely ignore for the sake of trying to accuse me of being "universally negative."

    (Interested users can breadcrumb from there re: establishment of religion conversation and gauge whether I am "universally negative" or not)

    I watched you spar with another user for 1 or so pages when he just wanted a summary or recap of what the current contention/discussion was, instead of move the conversation forward or express more construction on your viewpoint or thoughts on the discussion you generated dozens of nonsense posts of you complaining about users ability to read and 'click back 2 pages' etc. and if that's how you want to treat others, it's fair that's how you are treated. Then you complained about what users took away from your arguments, but still refused to rebut those takeaways with any elucidation, clarification, or constructive pushback, just complaints about being the dick and universal negativity.

    Finally, I think it's worth noting you're complaining about 'polarization,' in a thread titled to be all about polarization: "You've been looking in the wrong direction, the dangers are coming from the Left"

    If polarization is the problem let's just shut the thread down. It doesn't seem to serve much genuine purpose in raising any sincere, existential threats, so it is feeding the polarization monster for what purpose if any.

    It's a modern problem of the modern web, and the especially post-truth era of MAGA politics. Burden of Proof, Hitchen's Razor, etc. rarely let anyone down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,679 ✭✭✭Packrat


    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,809 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    This was going beyond links or GTFO.

    Here's a taster...

    Screenshot_20230704-222627~2.png

    I provided them a link and screenshots and still received that reply in the in the above.

    Essentially it boils down to even if you follow something like the hierarchy of disagreement to the point where you refute the other person's central point, they still feel their opinion trumps provable fact.

    We're in a post fact world where feelings and opinions are the pinnacle of debate and no amount of factual evidence can sway these people. This also tolerated by moderators from what I can discern, which should be anathema to anyone trying to encourage worthwhile debate.

    There's a cohort of users on this platform who's sole interest in is causing arguments with a view to getting people riled up and banned from threads they don't them to be on, it usually happens when someone is making a well thought out and we'll research led point of view that disproves their woo woo beliefs.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,623 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    I can see the thread (discussions) that you have created in a list format and the posts where you got Thanks in a page format.

    I can't see all your posts, and I can't understand why there are different formats to display essentially the same thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,686 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    Posts are listed under "comments" for some reason, but as far as I know we can see them on someone else's profile, no?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Not at all. The same user is behaving in the same manner toward multiple posters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,809 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Nice of you to bring up the "boo hoo" incident again. For context I had shared a lot of links etc throughout the thread and was then asked to "bullet point" my arguments repeatedly even though to do so would lose a lot of the context required to understand them properly.

    I wrote "boo hoo" at the end of one reply to that person and after a minute I edited the post and removed the "boo hoo".

    You have raised that twice in the space of a day now.

    Your primary motivation with me always seems to be to ignite some ridiculous argument that always ends with one or both of us receiving a threadban.

    Yesterday I said I wasn't biting, that really pissed you off and the the usual nonsense kicked into over drive and here you are again raising the spectre once again.

    It's always the same stuff with you and me Overheal but I'm just not that into you, sorry.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,809 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    True, but I never go looking for Overheal, yet he always finds me even though we've been instructed to not engage with each other. I do my best to avoid him but when you're being misrepresented there's always that need to defend yourself.

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Go down to the very bottom.and click on comments

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Posts: 2,263 [Deleted User]


    We're in a post fact world where feelings and opinions are the pinnacle of debate and no amount of factual evidence can sway these people.

    This is pretty much it.

    When actual debate arises, many persons with legitimate points get censored or unequally punished (because they are not part of the majority, so are conveniently side-lined as a nuisance who must be "dealt with"), whilst the noisy crowd who agree with each other on absolutely everything, receive a free pass.

    This is called a discussion forum, not a consensus forum.

    Discussion means engaging with both sides, equally. Who would want to spend time entering a discussion forum if it was rigged against them? What sort of marketing strategy is that; to effectively jettison aside most of the population? It makes no sense!

    A so-called "discussion" cannot exist if the allowed bandwidth of opinion is constricted to such an extreme degree that it almost always includes only consensus opinions.

    Ask yourself, would you rather talk openly in Russia or the United States?

    Because only one of these routes leads to some sort of success in the real world. Not the hurt feelings (the "I'm offended" community) and opinions of a noisy minority, but actual real people in the real world. Normal people who go about their day and week without this distracting, stupid nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,623 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Nada, I can't see comments, only thread created, or comments which have gotten a reaction. I'm using the desktop site BTW.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Says the lad who is burning through accounts. Allegedly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Yesterday I said I wasn't biting, that really pissed you off

    You have a very distorted perception of my personality, and that seems to be your biggest problem in the thread that I can see: projecting and arguing personalities onto anybody you disagree with. Hand on heart, you saying anything about biting anything had no emotional weight with me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,799 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    Copy and paste the below text and you'll be able to see all your posts, including those that did not get a reaction.

    "https://www.boards.ie/profile/comments/Padre_Pio?page=p1"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,719 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    That was me you screenshot and you’re being incredibly disingenuous.

    Why not show the context?

    4F8F02E5-A87A-4698-9B41-EBF2A06229CE.jpeg C74E6D62-DCA0-4E47-800E-B077EB10E76B.jpeg 62F7DD54-FBC6-45A0-A4CC-CCEB3A073D47.jpeg

    ”click back two pages”


    ”I already did (chuck a few reasons up) You’re free to read it your leisure”


    These are just two examples of you not actually directing people via links or screenshots.

    “It was there all along if you cared to read it.

    Somewhere”

    What else am I meant to say here, other than

    ”If you really cared, you could provide a link or a screenshot instead of vague, “It’s over there” instructions.”?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Think when people are putting up screenshots of posts and re- arguing over why they did or did not get into trouble , others accusing mods of over moderation, and then accusing one of personal attacks themselves (which I don't agree it was myself tbh) , while most feel that moderation is not visible enough at all , the issues on the site are pretty clear . Not .

    Good points ..

    Sydthebeat suggested bolded comment by mod as to why action being taken on a post , which would show other posters that something was being done .

    Shield suggests a more visible forum for Dispute Resolution.

    I think the suggestion of more mods by many here is appropriate .


    I would like a time machine to bring the site back to the way it was before the changeover, but will be happy with some improvements as above , and maybe a 6 monthly review to see what else can be done ?



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 21,034 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    @sydthebeat did start a feedback thread asking for bold mod posts when action was taken. I think it was agreed at the time that it would be implemented? I'll go find it now.



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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 21,034 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject




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