What happened to Boards.ie - genuine question

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120808083#Comment_120808083

Because it’s not about this one instance. But I think you know that. The rest of your post is irrelevant to me.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120809465#Comment_120809465

Not everything is ambiguous. Plain as day what JupiterKid is talking about. But they're not policing them.

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120807495#Comment_120807495

Im not talking about the ones who say (I’m reporting you or whatever ).

There are others people on Boards accusing people of reporting posts in a kind of “snitches get stitches” mentality. I don’t get the issue. If a post goes against the charter, then they are entitled to report it. it’s then down to the mods to verify it.

I really would be surprised if people are furiously reporting things just to cause havoc or get others banned. Again that’s down to the mods to put them wide, I’d call that trolling if it’s deliberate.

@[Deleted User]

"This is what’s wrong with boards. A small number of posters who are constantly arguing in bad faith in every thread. Misquoting, accusing and demanding citations. Deliberately deflecting and derailing everything and believing they’re winning. Destroying any reasonable discussions."

Exactly @[Deleted User]

Dismissing/misrepresenting it is just more of same, unless there are people who genuinely can't see it, in which case they're blinded by bias. No it doesn't always take two to tango. And "bad faith posting" is a real thing, not just dislike of opinions (THAT'S a bad faith take). You didn't indicate anything about wanting people removed from a discussion.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120809338#Comment_120809338

That's a dreadful position.

What you're effectively saying here is that you'd siteban everyone you disagree with so that almost everyone agrees with you.

As another poster said, you should not assume that other posters have the worst possible motive when posting. More often than not, their motives are as sincere as yours.

But you have already assumed the motive -- "malice and spite" -- and if you start from that assumption, then you're going to arrive at biased, false conclusions.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120809632#Comment_120809632

It isn't plain to me.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120809519#Comment_120809519

The essence of a discussion Board is post and response. That's it, the clue is literally in the name.

Platforms like Twitter exist where you can create your own echo chamber without conflicting contributors intruding. I would be against any call to try to replicate that environment on here.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120809654#Comment_120809654

Yes and as you can see the “that’s no reason to remove someone from a discussion” is the stuff I’m talking about. Nothing to do with that I said but it’s in the reply.

It’s a tactic. Address something you said, then tac on a load of stuff you didn’t say to strengthen their position. You end up spending more time arginine about what you didn’t say and it’s what they want.

I mentioned Overheal in my post but I said there was a few of them. Tell me how is so similar I sometimes confuse them.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120809804#Comment_120809804

What solution are you looking for, then?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120809788#Comment_120809788

Again. Nothing to do with what I said. And again. You know that.

Flaneur OBrien

I think context is always important. Taking single posts from posters (whether replies or not) shows nothing without context.

Goldengirl

This is just a bicker and bvtch fest at this stage .

Can people not just leave it out to put forward positive changes that could help the site ?

It's hard to read through the fighting here .

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120809714#Comment_120809714

JupiterKid is one of the fairest, most consistent and level-headed moderators here (probably the only such active one) and is very balanced in his views. He didn't remotely say (effectively or not) that he would like to ban everyone who disagrees with him. That's quite the leap! He said there are spiteful and malicious posters whose only purpose is to troll and frustrate people. And there are. The stock line that gets resorted to: "you just don't like different opinions" is disingenuous, and in bad faith. No, it's not just about disliking different opinions.

I.R.Y.E.D

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120809714#Comment_120809714

What was your intention when comparing Marcus Rashford to a known paedophilie and saying he should be investigated by the police because he supports a school meals charity, or the tímes you called all refugees and asylum seekers human cargo?

Or when saying as a gay person you support and agree with the views of people who want to reverse legislation such as marriage equality?

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120810061#Comment_120810061

I agree with the first half of your answer re Jupiter Kid.

However the second part is separate and your own view .

He said there are' spiteful and malicious posters whose only purpose is to troll and frustrate others . '

Not the rest.

You can't allude to everyone who says any particular phrase , and say " these are the spiteful malicious posters " .

It could be and probably is a range of types of posters .

It also could be a lot of us here who obviously are vocal and pvss others off and maybe don't realise it / mean to

Although I suspect the ones JK was alluding to do know / mean to .

Leg End Reject

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120810097#Comment_120810097

What does your cousin, the indiscreet psychiatric nurse, make of it all?

I.R.Y.E.D

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120810109#Comment_120810109

Nothing good, what about you?

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120810014#Comment_120810014

I've been posting in the soccer forums for years and going back a few years there were constant issues with rival fans bickering that have for the most part been solved.

Granted a lot of this is down to keeping people in silos so to speak but at the same time the general atmosphere in the soccer forum is a lot better than the likes of AH or CA.

Ultimately there's always going to be differing opinions on the issues that get discussed in CA but at the same time a little but of basic respect could go a long way.

A recent feedback thread proposed that CA is a hotbed of far right extremism, the people you might expect to agree with that were present demanding the removal of any users they disagree with.

It's one thing to try and put forward an argument and another to want to clear the playing field to create an echo chamber.

I understand that a number of mods/admins may feel an affinity for certain beliefs but for this type of platform to function properly those in charge need to be more neutral/agnostic particularly when it comes to the "culture war" stuff. There's definitely scope for increased enforcement of the rules in some settings with a view to setting a standard going forward, this relates to people's basic manners and willingness to be respectful of each other.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120810102#Comment_120810102

The rest of what I wrote didn't have to be said by JupiterKid - it doesn't change the meaning. No I won't accept these devil's advocate responses (not just from you). When someone as sensible as JupiterKid says there are malicious and spiteful people, trust him. It's safe to interpret that as not meaning members whose views he doesn't like, or people who are pissed off. It means people who are spiteful and malicious!

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120810152#Comment_120810152

I agree .

However then you have people complaining about being reported .

If people are polite and respectful then those reports are not actioned / actionable .

The most one would see is a request to stop bickering and move on .

However sometimes things get heated , no moderation is visible and frustration boils over into insults and inevitable threadban when the mods finally row in.

I know because this has happened to me and no doubt everyone posting here .

Sometimes there are trolls just trying to get another poster banned. Sometimes genuine " am sick of you" frustration

Question is how to avert with genuine posters ?

More mods , stepping in to ask people to cool it , and to get rid of obvious trolling when they see it .

But it needs visibility as said before by sydthebeat and legendreject and many more , so that genuine posters don't end up in fights that either get them banned or leave the discussion .

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120810198#Comment_120810198

Jeez , you misinterpret me there .

I agree with what he said . Completely .

I don't think it was helpful in your own opinion to start saying this is and that is , and giving examples , that's all .

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120810215#Comment_120810215

But what "this and this" did I say?

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120810203#Comment_120810203

The issue arises from people following other users around looking to continue old arguments and hoping the other person gets a ban of they wind them up enough. Same goes with arguments that are ongoing on other threads, why bring that baggage into another thread and expect people to be happy about it?

I tried to talk about my experiences on another thread here yesterday and it became an opportunity for the people I was dealing with over there to come in to this thread and start raising those issues again.

To me that should be something that shouldn't be tolerated, as you said yourself this thread got totally derailed the message being these people should be allowed to do whatever they like or they'll ruin any thread they feel like.

Some new parameters are needed in CA in particular. Issuing demands, being generally uncivil, replying with "lol"s or laughing emojis and general dickishness has no place in reasonable discussion.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120810216#Comment_120810216

This ..

"The stock line that gets resorted to: "you just don't like different opinions" is disingenuous, and in bad faith. No, it's not just about disliking different opinions." .

You can't say everyone who says this for example , is what he was talking about .

It depends on the circumstance and what went before surely ?

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120810225#Comment_120810225

It depends on the circumstances but yeah people should leave one discussion behind and start fresh on a different discussion.

However we are all human , and some posters run each other up the wrong way and can never draw a line under it unfortunately.

In those cases people should not respond to each other and put on ignore .

I read your previous point about responding to a poster who you think is deliberately winding you up .

Believe me when I say I think we can all relate to that scenario.

Unfortunately it's the one that will ultimately end up in the less cool head getting banned , so it really is better to walk away .

Now whether we can do that or not is another story . I have difficulty with it for sure .

What to do with someone who is baiting you ?

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120810225#Comment_120810225

The issue arises from people following other users around looking to continue old arguments and hoping the other person gets a ban of they wind them up enough.

I tried to talk about my experiences on another thread here yesterday and it became an opportunity for the people I was dealing with over there to come in to this thread and start raising those issues again.

Do you not see the irony in this statement?

This is a discussion thread, everyone allowed on is allowed in, why should you have the right of reply, but nobody else: "when you're being misrepresented there's always that need to defend yourself." ? Everything one writes, and posts, is a new opportunity for someone else to respond usually.

As you said, this about something re: Yesterday, not an "old argument"; I've only seen yourself mention old arguments recently in the guise of eg. "You always engage in bad faith and look to start arguments with me. My experience of you has been universally negative. You've been nothing but abusive towards me on this site," etc. which derails a thread way off whatever its central premise/title is. And now here you've made several posts arguing you hope I am banned from any right of reply to your posts about me. It's all very pot calling the kettle black stuff.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120810234#Comment_120810234

But I didn't say everyone who says this is whom JupiterKid was talking about. It's the response TO him.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120810268#Comment_120810268

That's what I'm doing my best to do.

If one thing could come from discussing these type of issues, eliminating that type of thing would be of massive benefit.

If I were a new user and I encountered that I wouldn't bother with boards.

In a way these people are creating a platform that is unwelcoming to new users if they decide they don't like them.

Even if you're not the target of their nonsense, it ruins discussions.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120810274#Comment_120810274

Maybe reply but don't refer to the other person who is getting your goat ? Be general , try not to get personally engaged at least until you think you can .

There are quite a few posters floating around with whom I would have had THE most bitter exchanges on a particular forum , but I, and I think, they , have tried to be polite and respectful even if we disagree on other fora and not bring up old battles .

Not sure if they are personally seething everytime " this bvtch" addresses them but it's a bit more pleasant for sure .

Fingers crossed it does seem to work mostly .

Most people have redeeming features and good points that may not be obvious on CA/ IMHO but are on the lighter threads .

Some are laugh out loud funny / witty .

Not saying to compromise on your opinions or beliefs , but just think before you bite , is it really necessary?

Sorry if this comes across as lecturing , I don't mean it to .

I am the worlds worst person for snarling and biting back at people . Just saying out loud what I have been trying myself . 😯

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120810308#Comment_120810308

I just don't get what you are saying , tbh . To Jupiter Kid or Rapidash ?

Edit. My bad , get you now 🤤