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  • Site Banned Posts: 899 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct


    Russia 1985–1999: TraumaZone: What It Felt Like to Live Through The Collapse of Communism and Democracy

    Since the late 1980s, BBC news crews have filmed all across the Soviet Union and Russia, but only a tiny portion of their footage was ever used for news reports. The rest was left unseen on tapes in Moscow. Filmmaker Adam Curtis obtains these tapes and uses them to chronicle the collapse of the Soviet Union, the rise of capitalist Russia and its oligarchs, and the effects of this on Russian people of all levels of society, leading to the rise to power of Vladimir Putin, and today’s invasions of Ukraine. The films take you from inside the Kremlin, to the frozen mining cities in the Arctic circle, to tiny villages of the vast steppes of Russia, and the strange wars fought in the mountains and forests of the Caucasus.

    I haven't watched it yet but anything by Adam Curtis is brilliant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,596 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    I like Michael Clarkes analysis. He seems to be fairly unbiased to either side and knowledgeable.

    Sean Bell however. In my armchair general opinion is an absolute fool. Since the very start of the war he's been banging on about how Russia won't be beaten and Ukraine can only lose slowly. He was on Sky calling for peace talks as Russia was flattening Sieverodonetsk. He's constantly harping on about how Russia should be let keep the Donbas and Crimea and the land its stolen for the sake of negotiating with Putin. An absolutely abhorrent proposition unless we want to end up in WW3 in a few years. And one the Ukranians would never go for.

    He's constantly been pessimistic about Ukraines potential to achieve anything at all. It may be true that the offensive won't achieve as much as some hoped as quickly as hoped. But I'm relatively confident Sean is talking out his arse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,213 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Gives a fairly good idea of how and why Russia got to be the way it is today..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,972 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    I watched that when it came out. It's excellent. Really gives you a sense for the absolute chaos of the 1990s and the absolute pillaging of the country by the oligarchs that emerged. Their greed was rapacious and entirely at the expense of the common people. The American's really dropped the ball too. They effectively allowed libertarian economists to advise "shock therapy" to try and move the country from communist to capitalist. It was a failed experiment and paved the way for Putin to crush the nascent free press and opposition in the name of "stability".

    The other thing I took from it was the rise of Boris Yeltsin. Nowadays he's mostly seen as the doddering drunk making a show of himself at formal occasions. Before all that though he was a deft political operator who ran rings around Gorbachev. He also laid the path for Putin though, in that he essentially took power away from parliament and placed it in the hands of the President after a constitutional crisis in 1993 where he literally sent the tanks in to fire on the parliament who were thwarting him and trying to impeach him.

    Beyond all that though are the many small stories showing regular people just living their lives and trying to get by. Since it's Russia, lots of them are odd and lots of them are heart-breaking.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,972 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Out of curiosity, is anyone else kind of sick of all the Windows and Tea jokes? They were funny in the beginning but after hearing them for the umpteenth time they've gotten a bit old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭Ramasun


    Ukraine can learn a lot from Western organisation and tactics but the Ukrainians are fighting a modern war against a larger entrenched force without air supremacy. How would these guys react if an enemy drone appeared over their command post?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,791 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Usually a reliable source. But he says himself..... skepticism

    But let's keep an eye

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭rogber


    File alongside:

    Belarus is entering the war on Friday.

    Kiev will fall in 3 days.

    Putin has cancer and two months to live.

    Etc etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,663 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    It's better than listening to insufferable bores and hipster stooges droning on about macOS and Coffee.

    Save boards.ie by subscribing: https://subscriptions.boards.ie/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,972 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Don't forget:

    • My secret source had to talk pilots out of dropping nuclear arms when they were in the air
    • Progozhin has seized a nuclear arms depot and I'm including a picture of the wrong place


    His problem is that he just repeats every rumour he hears and doesn't do any due diligence. Who knows maybe Kadyrov really is dying but I'll wait til I hear it from a more credible source before I believe there is any substance to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,972 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    Sure. I won't disagree with that.

    I am confused about what they have in common though. I don't see too much coffee and macOS debate going on in this thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,923 ✭✭✭amandstu


    If several thousand tired jokes save one life or expose one rotten state murderer to the glare of unwelcome public gazes it will have been worth our jaded senses.

    Who will be the next?Putin ,I hope.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,703 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Kind of. I would have a concern some of those who died by 'windows' or similar may have been anti-Putin :(

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,223 ✭✭✭vixdname


    Gatling, only saw that video now, was that a mine the poor last guy stood on that caused that damage ?

    There was obviously a good few lads in that little valley, one wonders was that whole area mined and thats what caused the mess we saw at the start of the video, or was that last guy just really unlucky to be the one who stood on a lone mine just left there ?

    Who do you reckon was videoing from the drone, Ukr or Rus ?

    Thanks !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭wassie




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,223 ✭✭✭vixdname


    I think "Feral" describes your average russian soldier pretty much perfectly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭Ramasun


    Two years ago they were building a professional army.

    I doubt any of them want to be there now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    Yes the whole area was mined. As is all the areas the Ukrainians have to advance though. It can be evidenced by the charge tape visable. Maybe that unit thought the mines had been cleared or they were poorly trained in dealing with them.

    Folks need to keep this in mind when expecting to see lightening advances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,952 ✭✭✭zv2


    Well I don't say America is without fault but when I look at the balance of evils I am in no doubt that Russia has to be defeated. They have always been blood-thirsty murderers. Deal with Russia first, then reflect on other things but the main evil right now is the evil Russia has unleased.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭farmerval


    Couldn't agree more, he's always Mr bloody obvious. Michael Clarke gives very good oversight of what's going on. Gives a good overview and offers what appears to be well thought out views.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,405 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I think it's more up to the United States than Ukraine as to when it's time to call a halt to efforts to regain territory tbh. Sure, Ukraine could keep fighting without US help but that seems unlikely and how long would they last in any case?

    The fact of the matter is that Ukraine has made no meaningful advance anywhere on the frontline since they began their counteroffensive.

    Russia has fortified it's defensive positions. It's a very different situation to Ukraine's last push when the Russians didn't have time to set up defensive lines and got routed as they were falling back.

    If the situation stays static with no progress eventually someone has to make hard choices on what is realistically attainable.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭Seanmadradubh


    Do yourself a favour, have a read of this from someone who actually knows what they are talking about, you never know you might learn something.

    PS, It's no wonder you haven't a clue about what's going on, talking notice of people like David Sacks will shrink your brain down to the size of a walnut.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭Ramasun


    I'd rather be invaded by the Americans for sure. They've been the least rapey, looty and genocidal in the last 100 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,552 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    I know it might be a silly thing but just wondering with what is happening in France at the moment force the French to provide Ukraine with less financial aid etc. as they might have to fork out tens of millions to repair the damage caused throughout France the last few nights and still on going and also the loss in revenue that tourists might not go to France at the time being.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,213 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And on the contrary, what they did in Afghanistan was something no other invaders have done...they actually spent billions ( if not trillions) on trying to modernize the Country, The difference between pre and post US presence in Afghanistan was far greater than black and white. Certainly, if the US had invaded Ukraine instead of Russian, the war would only have lasted a few weeks if even that, when the welcome mat, flowers and Vodka would have been rolled out. Afghans are now and since the US left, looking and praying for them to come back. Yet all you hear about is the evil US invaders, which is a far cry from the actual truth. But of course, the Truth is the last thing that suit's many, especially Russia and its Factory of Lies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭Ramasun


    France is huge, bigger than the UK.

    The UK did the Falklands and were America's wingman for Gulf War I while the IRA were going nuts in Northern Ireland.

    I don't think a few thousand rioters would be a problem for France.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,213 ✭✭✭jmreire


    What will happen with Ukraine, will be decided by Ukrainian's, and no one else deals or no deals. They stood alone back in Feb 2022, and if they have to, they will do it again. The one thing they will not do is knuckle down under Putin and that's under any circumstances. They've seen what Putin has done and can still do, and are under no illusions about their future if they don't defeat him. So either the world will help in this war, which Zelensky is waging on behalf of us, as in all Europeans, or they won't and pay the price down the road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,405 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I'll save this post for when we know what the partition will look like. Needless to say there is still a lot of wishful thinking going around and refusal to see the reality of the situation.

    That's not to say that reality can't change but as of now it is what it is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,952 ✭✭✭zv2


    The most you can get is a slight injury, if you get something more –

    that’s it, you will die," says a Russian military paramedic. His comments

    highlight the terrible state of medical care in the Russian army, which is

    causing untold tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths.

    ChrisO_wiki on Twitter: "1/ Russian front-line hospitals are experiencing acute shortages of personnel and supplies. Only officers are reportedly evacuated to Russia, with ordinary soldiers being treated without anaesthesia or medications. Volunteers are providing most of the medical supplies. ⬇️ https://t.co/2bh0q17Elv" / Twitter

    It looks like history is starting up again.



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