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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,080 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    All members of the Duma asked to be in Moscow tomorrow, the speculation is that Shoigu will be replaced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,184 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    This is very naive. If Russia were to open a northern front it would change the dynamic completely and Ukraine would have to spread it's forces even more thinly than they are now.

    I'm not sure Belarus will allow an attack from it's territory but it's still not good having these guys on the Belarus border. It's another potential attack route that Ukraine needs to guard. Another distraction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭IdHidden


    The Russian army couldn't open a bottle of beer let alone a northern front.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 373 ✭✭Slava_Ukraine


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    This is very naive. If Russia were to open a northern front it would change the dynamic completely and Ukraine would have to spread it's forces even more thinly than they are now.

    That's a far bigger problem for the Russians, ICYMI. Russia is already spread so thin it's own mercs gained this much territory ("approximate distance") in a 1 day uprising, triggering a refugee panic and everything:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭IdHidden


    Putin is not acting like a person who is capable of swiftly reasserting his power and cracking down on anyone who had sided against him or simply had chosen to step aside and pretend like nothing was happening

    It is clear now that loyalty to Putin does not run deep. In the crucial 13 hours before Putin's speech, few came out in support of him. No governors, no Duma members, not even his national security council. Only 2 generals Surovikin and Alekseev recorded 'hostage videos' urging Wagner to stop.

    After all, if Prigozhin can get away with mutiny to keep operating his Wagner PMC company, why shouldn't other do what they like as well?

    It is also clear that faced with defeat Putin will do a deal, just like he did with Prigozhin.

    One remarkable thing about the nature of Prigozhin’s coup gamble is that he literally put his life and freedom on the line in an attempt to save… his PMC business



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    It's not like they'd be rolling over the border like they did at the beginning, they would have to attack and use artillery from Belarus giving Ukraine free reign to lay waste to Belarus directly, Minsk becomes a legitimate target almost immediately.

    It's a complete fantasy being pushed by fantasists.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    If Belarus could be deployed against Ukraine, it would already have. You think after a year of stalled, inept invasion Moscow wouldn't have opened up a northern front if it could? Madness to think they'd bottle that potential game changer. Tomorrow they could turn the tide of this invasion if Minsk was in any shape to provide as an ally.

    Belarus is a tinpot country barely holding onto its authority thanks to russian muscle and F all else; they make Italy 1940+ look competent and a threat to its neighbours. Their army can just about keep its own citizens in check, let alone march across to a NATO supplied neighbour and make war.

    We've had more than a year to have this threat enacted. The silence from the North is evidence enough. For now; maybe full mobilisation could change things for Russia, but with what equipment would these recruits get given?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭farmerval


    Prigozhyn finally got Bakmut after months and months of inching forward at huge cost. Then he removed his troops for R&R to recover, then the Russian Ministry of Defence announce all fighters in Ukraine must be contracted to Minister of Defence.

    Now he denounces everything to do with the Ukrainian war, Putin's excuses for starting it, how it's going etc. leads his uprising, heads for Moscow does a deal with Putin to buy him off.

    I think Prigozhyn knows the war in Ukraine is and will be a disaster and as the only one with any glory relating to it has ensured he can be well out of the firing line when the s**t really hits the fan there. If that happens Putin is in the firing line, Prigozyhn has pinned this war totally on Putin.

    If/when the war goes really badly who's the only hero left standing to become Putin's replacement????



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 447 ✭✭thereitisgone


    So the reports of the Ukrainians crossing the river seem to be true, really thought this was propaganda

    Wonder what they planning




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Prigozhin in Belarus really makes little sense, unless he’s literally retired and paid off. Ridiculous risk for the Belarusian administration. How could they agree to this, unless either forced or assured that he was absolutely out of the game? Was Lukashenko forced to take him but pretend he was being magnanimous to Putin?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    They already tried a northern assault and already failed. At the beginning of the war Russians entered northern Ukraine from the territory of Belarus. This was the infamous convoy. Here is part of the wiki page about the incident:


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    If they couldn't manage to do it when they were at their full strength in the very beginning it would be extremely foolish to try it now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,047 ✭✭✭✭briany


    @Kermit.de.frog

    If Russia were to open a northern front it would change the dynamic completely and Ukraine would have to spread it's forces even more thinly than they are now.

    Would it? Well, I've been told the Russian high command was inept, but I didn't realise it was so inept as to completely miss or disregard an 800+ mile stretch of frontline that could change the dynamic of the war, as you claim, and maybe even turn the tide for them. If that's the level they're at, maybe the reason why their airforce has been MIA is because the pilots misplaced their keys or forgot which way the yoke makes the nose go.

    Correct answer: they couldn't press toward Kyiv when they had a lot more and Ukraine a lot less. They damn sure can't, now. They could try, but they know it would fail, and that's why they don't. Simple.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,701 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    It actually makes sense now how Putin feared Nato or Ukraine invading Russia, as it's so dam easy. The best way to end this war is you invade Russia, if this was 1943, and a country was so so weak, it would be picked off for fun.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭smokingman


    I think you'd find that us Irish would surprise you. We have a lot in common with the Ukrainian people and would find surprising ways to **** up nazis in incredibly inventive ways.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,617 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I am inclined to agree in part. It would explain why he was hell bent on capturing Bakhmut. However, I think he was set up yesterday to believe that he could overthrow Putin, but key actors betrayed him this is why he made the save facing deal in the end. It seems the attack on his militia never happened. According to US Intelligence he was planning this for weeks. So it makes zero sense that he suddenly had a pang of conscience and wanted to save his men and fellow Russians from bloodshed,especially seeing as he was quite happy for thousands of his men to be used as cannon fodder to expose Ukranian defensive positions in Bakhmut. His March for justice/ coup was a failure. Regarding his exile, I doubt Lukashenko just agreed to let him carry on as he has been doing up to now once in Belarus. This man has a knack for self preseveration afterall. I think Prigozhin will be an isolated figure in Belarus and will be bumped off at some stage without a security detail. The word immunity does not exist in Putin's vocabulary. He will want revenge and also to send a message to others that might be contemplating going against him that this is the price you will pay in the end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,701 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,902 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    I agree it is not a bad day for Ukraine, but that is a different matter for there being any great positives.

    OK, Russia has shown its fractures. Does anyone here think that Russian fractures, the tension between factions/ players etc were not already known and existed? How does this change the realities for Ukraine? The Russian Army is still in Ukraine, there seems to have been no reorientation of forces away from Ukraine, Putin still seems to be more or less the man at the top (if he is or not, he's no less so than he was before), and this public spat seems to provide no indication of a change of policy by Russia to Ukraine.

    Had the movement come to something, it might have been more a positive to Ukraine. The assassination attempts on Hitler which failed may have been good news for the Allies, but they didn't do very much in practical terms to help them. I don't see this as being any different.

    For now, though, it turned out it really was just a case of an excuse to grab the popcorn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 603 ✭✭✭mike_cork




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Clearly the real one is glowing with pure evil and dark energy



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,455 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Not sure if same source but two Ruzzian telegram groups reporting complete breakdown in command and communications.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 603 ✭✭✭mike_cork


    This would seem like a logical explanation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭farmerval


    Prigozhen has a massive knack for self preservation. This is the first time that there's an actual alternative ready and waiting in the wings. Right now would Putin actually dare take him out?

    This is really new territory for Putin. If the war starts going tits up he's in very deep trouble.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    They faced zero opposition,all they had to do was literally drive to the Kremlin,

    He's not the type that looks for mass support



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,521 ✭✭✭Jeff2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,516 ✭✭✭bennyineire


    Eh the war is going tits up for Russia and has been for a long time already



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    If it turned into a free for all retreat by the Russians after the last few days who would be surprised.


    Russian military moral must be at levels beyond clinical depression.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    The Kremlin are saying putin was inside the Kremlin all along during the March to Moscow but now refuses to make any public statements to reassure the Russians population, propaganda channels are running pre recorded interviews with him instead,

    All this stress couldn't be great for him



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,161 ✭✭✭relax carry on


    It was hard to keep up yesterday. Was there any actual reliable confirmation that he'd left Moscow? Lots of tweets flying about flights heading out of Moscow with no destination set or going to Turkey. But was there anything concrete to say he'd left rather than locking himself in his bunker?



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