Clearly the real one is glowing with pure evil and dark energy
Not sure if same source but two Ruzzian telegram groups reporting complete breakdown in command and communications.
This would seem like a logical explanation
Prigozhen has a massive knack for self preservation. This is the first time that there's an actual alternative ready and waiting in the wings. Right now would Putin actually dare take him out?
This is really new territory for Putin. If the war starts going tits up he's in very deep trouble.
They faced zero opposition,all they had to do was literally drive to the Kremlin,
He's not the type that looks for mass support
It was such a surprise thought and never know what will happen next between the two in the future.
Eh the war is going tits up for Russia and has been for a long time already
If it turned into a free for all retreat by the Russians after the last few days who would be surprised.
Russian military moral must be at levels beyond clinical depression.
The Kremlin are saying putin was inside the Kremlin all along during the March to Moscow but now refuses to make any public statements to reassure the Russians population, propaganda channels are running pre recorded interviews with him instead,
All this stress couldn't be great for him
He has to kill him, there is no other option.
It was hard to keep up yesterday. Was there any actual reliable confirmation that he'd left Moscow? Lots of tweets flying about flights heading out of Moscow with no destination set or going to Turkey. But was there anything concrete to say he'd left rather than locking himself in his bunker?
There was talk of mass desertions and surrender being possible. Especially if the move on Moscow had continued.
There is absolutely no way Lukashenko negotiated for Prigozhin to be allowed to move to Belarus, only to let him rebuild a private army. There won’t be a “Wagner II: Electric Belarus”
In negotiating the deal, Lukashenko finally has something he can hold over Putin to put the brakes on Russia completely consuming Belarus: He saved Putin from an increasingly embarrassing situation, and he now holds the keys for the guy who did the damage in the first place. Lukashenko would have to be a really special class of idiot to throw that win away and let Prigozhin amass an army from his own people that could put him out of power, given how tenuously he’s been hanging on for the past few years already.
Could prigozhen raise another Wagner military outfit from belurasians? I mean I can't imagine the pay over there is huge so he might try and raise another 20 to 30k of troops from there. Either he's killed or something like this will happen I reckon. I just wouldn't be surprised if he was promised the top job in Belarus when lushenko dies. Now whether he lasts that's long for that to happen is another thing.
You Russians have no idea of the power of the Irish people. We'd defeat you with rocks at the the end of our hurls no problem. We also have the best snipers on the planet. Just sayin
We are European baseball champions too ....
Lukashenko can't fully rely on his own forces.
If pushed too hard they might turn on him.
It probably is in his interest to have Prigozhin replace Putin, Putin is determined to restore the Soviet Socialist Union. Lukashenko not interested.
Prigozhin doesn't have much political ambition beyond power and control.
Give it a go, shur they are planning to kill us anyways is probably the guiding philosophy in the regions politics
Is Igor Sushko reliable?
He posted this:
Prigozhin capturing Voronezh-45 nuclear storage facility in Russia may be part of the key to the lock that can help explain his decision to suddenly and bizarrely 'end' the coup which was succeeding spectacularly. I've been trying to figure how Prigozhin can guarantee his own survival after this. This may be it. Moscow may never have been his final destination. Vornezh-45 was. Once he got the nukes, he ended the operations because all objectives were achieved.
He may be, but some think he is not at all… Very Interesting if it proves to be true but I haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere else.
Prigozhin going to Belarus to start a new northern front?
"Hello soldiers, my name is Yevgeniy and I'm your new commander from Russia. You may know me from highly successful military actions such as the battles of Bakhmut and Khasham. This time we're starting something even bigger - the Battle of Kyiv, 2023 edition. Most of you will probably die, but it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make."
Umm, I don't think so. It's not like Wagner has been the missing component from an another from the north.
More likely Prigozhin will spend some time drinking vodka in the bars of Minsk.
Lushashenko has all but surrendered Belarus to Putin ,he's already signed into law the permanent garrisoning of Russian military forces and nuclear weapons and guess who sponsored the bills to allow this Putin himself, lushashenko is nothing more than a puppet for the Kremlin, while he plays the role of both a hard man and peacemaker he's neither, putin decides what, where and who In Belarus,
I can't see prigozhin just sitting there sipping cocktails and enjoying the minsk night life ,the question now will be will lusha have the balls to take care of prigozhin before putin tells prigozhin to take Belarus,or will he keep bowing to his Kremlin master
Another bit of wild speculation: Putin knows Lushashenko's grip on Belarus is waning; it has a far noisier, active protest demographic than Russia has and Lushashenko himself is rumoured to be ill. The country seems to be ripe with discontent and a growing sense of disaffection with Eastern, authoritarian emphasis.
So when Belarus suddenly finds itself sans leader, and that could be sooner than later, invariably the protests will morph into a full scale revolution and an attempt for democracy; the Belarusian army won't be reliable enough to crack down on dissent; but ... ... oh, look who's suddenly stationed in Belarus now.
Not so wild at all…
The only thing Mr Prigozhin will be doing is taking is flying lesson from a building, certainly won't be put in charge of another country.
The Union State was actually mostly Lukashenko’s idea at the beginning, as it was to his advantage to piggyback on Russia’s stronger economy. He negotiated the various treaties with Yeltsin, and had plans to succeed him as ruler of the combined Russia-Belarus state.
His mistake was that he didn’t count on Putin coming in the scene with his imperialist ambitions, and has been trying to fend him off while staying on his good side ever since. This indeed has resulted in him becoming a pathetic puppet of Putin. The only thing keeping him in power is the delicate balancing act he’s been performing. If he pisses of his own people too much, they’ll revolt against him. If he pisses off the Russian too much, they’ll replace him.
Having made the mistake once, he’s hardly going to foster the creation of another puppet master within his borders, especially one that’s already shown such a clear penchant for fearlessness and violent unpredictability.
No, he's made a number of statements that turned out to be flat out lies.
Shoigu in Ukraine via Russian state TV.
Guessing this is deliberate to squash the rumour that he's getting replaced.
I thought the same. It happened too quickly for any negotiations. I think Lukashenko might have simply offered Prigozin the safe place to stay till his dispute with Putin resolves. In the mean time he now has his own hired army of mercenaries to protect him from his own people. And from Putin if this alleged attempt for Lukashenko's life was real.
I don't think Progozin has ambition to rule the country. He simply wants to be his own boss with no overhead of Russia army commanders above him. He just said no to this idea, which was to materialise from the 1st of July. But in the process showed the weakness of Russia unintentionally.
And frankly he had a full right to be p****d off after fighting for Bakhmut. Instead of reward he was practically demoted. Silly move from Putin.
Or maybe after showing that he can, he is now waiting somewhere for the best offer to do the coup.
Has there been any update on what the Wagner forces in the field are doing? Returning to their bases, what does that mean in practical terms?
All sorts of information and counter information about.
They left the city but different twitter accounts claim they still have control of an some bases and and airbase.
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