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Irish rail fleet and infrastructure plans

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,834 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Vending Machines to be rolled out with the ICR fleet to get them if succesiful. I think the idea of catering trolley/snack car on all services is unlikely to return anytime soon. Not enough money in it.

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    It will initially purchase nine vending machines as a trial and place them onboard the eight MKIV trains that operate the Cork-Dublin service, with one spare retained.

    Planning to go out to tender in July, Irish Rail said it wants the vending machines to stock cold drinks, soft drinks, light snacks, and confectionery.

    They will also be card-only, with no cash accepted.

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    QR Ticketing also rolled out from today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Just to point out, the QR ticketing is on a bit of a limited rollout:

    Plus, while you can scan the barcode from the pdf, the option to save to Apple Pay/Google Wallet etc. will be added "in a later phase"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,882 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    I didn't know that IÉ had taken in delivery of 3 new track recording locomotives for their maintainence fleet.

    There are photographs of one of these locomotives doing testing around Drumcondra and Connolly Station back in February of this year on Kieran Marshall's Flickr.

    They were made by a company called Giesmar in the Netherlands. I am not familiar with them myself. However I read on some other website that the first of these locos were delivered to IÉ all the way back in 2020.

    Why on earth did it take them 3 years to get them out to do mainline testing on our rail network.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    They have been down in Portlaoise PW depot for some time, its not just the safety approvals there is a lot of complex measurement equipment onboard to be setup, calibrate and integrate.

    Quite a lot of new toys, the Kirow crane also has yet to be used in anger



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,033 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    A woman has died after two women was struck by a Dublin-bound train in Sligo.

    The 3.05pm Sligo to Conolly Station Irish Rail service was stopped near Ballisadare in county Sligo after the incident. A woman in her 20s has been removed to Sligo University Hospital where she is being treated for "serious injuries".

    Sadly, another woman in her 40s was pronounced dead at the scene. Emergency services remain at the scene.

    garda spokeswoman said: "Gardai and emergency services are currently at scene of an incident which occurred on the train line at Knocks Park, Ballisadare, Co. Sligo this afternoon, Wednesday 14th June 2023

    RIP



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Very tragic. Hope the family are doing ok, and that the driver is getting the help and support needed at this time.

    Reinforces just how dangerous it is to trespass on the tracks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,262 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    I recall somebody posting an image during the last few weeks, showing IE's pland for new infrastructure by 2030 / 2040 / 2050.

    Does anybody know where it is? In what thread?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,587 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    I think it was in the Dart+ thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,834 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    • Irish Rail will also receive €1.3 million for studies which will examine the doubling of track capacity between Dublin’s Connolly and Malahide train stations, where DART and intercity traffic currently share the same tracks.

    • Irish Rail will receive €2.6 million towards feasibility studies guiding a range of technical and organisational measures aimed at improving train services between Dublin and Cork.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Doubling track capacity the whole way just isn't feasible. It'll surely just be passing loops here and there.

    Obviously closer to malahide there's a lot of farming land, that would be easy enough to acquire and expand on. But much less when you get closer to the city.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,714 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Well this is funding for a feasibility study, so it should allow us to see exactly what could be done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,334 ✭✭✭SeanW


    I think a good start would be to have quad tracks at the stations. This way, a fast train could overtake a DART while it's stopped at a station, but there would be no need to quad track the line fully.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    There just isn't the space at most stations closer to the city for quad tracking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,714 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    It's extraordinary how many people have just decided this already.

    Sure, Irish Rail have just got EUR 1.1m of funding from the EU to examine the feasibility of something that just cannot be done.

    I think maybe it might be an idea to wait and see what the report comes up with before writing it off.

    The key section is Clontarf Road to Raheny which is where an outer suburban train/Enterprise could overtake a DART that left ahead of it from Connolly at line speed. Beyond Raheny to Howth Junction, the buildings are right up against the permanent way which makes life very difficult.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Sounds like you agree with me so. There's space between Connolly and Raheny, but I don't think you'll get a quad track in there. I've been on some morning trains that have taken 14 minutes to travel one stop, between Clontarf Road and Connolly. The signalling system just can't handle the capacity, and fails on a regular basis. Not to mention the Dublin to Belfast service that fails more days than not. And they aren't planning to replace that with railcars as far as I'm aware.

    What's your definition of line speed? Currently, trains headed for the north travel fairly slow out of Connolly unfortunately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,714 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer



    Not quite. Operationally it is not needed for the entire route from Connolly to Malahide. As long as two trains can pass on the move between Connolly and Howth Junction that would mean that the 10 minute DART and other services could co-exist, along with more quad tracking north of Howth Junction.

    I have been consistent about my view that unless quad tracking is put in place along that section between Clontarf Road and Raheny, then outer suburban commuters and Intercity customers are destined to crawl along for eternity. They are stuck behind the DART that left ahead of them from Connolly until Howth Junction. It will have to happen somehow, despite what some people think. This is a key piece of transport infrastructure.

    Line speed is the maximum speed permitted on a particular stretch of track.

    The line speed on the northern line to the border is 90mph, but there is a permanent speed restriction of 70mph between Dublin Connolly and Clongriffin which let's be honest is rarely achieved.

    They've just started the process of searching for replacement rolling stock for the Enterprise FYI, but that will take some time to happen. There are problems with the rolling stock, particularly the generator vans at the moment I believe.

    The signalling is a hotch-potch of systems, some of which has been renewed and some of which hasn't. The move to the new control centre at Heuston along with the implementation of DART+ should resolve the problems, but right now, it's all held together almost with a piece of string.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    I was just asking about line speed, as I thought you were expecting the trains leaving Connolly to hit 90mph asap. And that's hard to see for a long time.

    I know they are planning to put out a tender for new rolling stock for the Enterprise, but isn't it still based on a loco? It needs to be railcars for reliability, but with a decent first class section. Not like what the have the ICRs. The current service is a complete joke, and really embarrassing for Irish Rail.

    ETCS 1 will be a big improvement alright, and I think they plan to roll it out on older stock eventually too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,714 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    If quad tracking was in place between Clontarf Road and Raheny, then, yes, the Enterprise would be leaving Connolly and accelerating to 70 mph asap.

    I would expect completely new rolling stock which will be bi-mode for the Enterprise, and no separate loco.

    The signalling problems are mainly down to the IT equipment in CTC, its relationship with the other systems, and the Clonsilla panel equipment (which governs much of the Maynooth line) which are verging on prehistoric.

    Add to that the fact that you have far longer signalling sections on the Maynooth and southeastern lines which means fewer trains can operate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    You can't fix everything at the same time.

    Are they looking at bi-mode for the enterprise?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,262 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    All this talk of trying to squeeze more capacity out of the line along the coast...............

    Call me crazy, but I suggest leaving it as a 100% DART line.

    Build a new intercity line from north of Swords, through Swords, (station), through the airport (station), another regional staion somewhere in north Dublin, into the centre of Dublin, (maybe docklands) to join the DU tunnel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,714 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The signalling will be addressed by DART+, as I just said, yes they are looking at bi-mode.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,882 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    I have seen some photographs of the new footbridge at Dalkey Dart Station via a message from someone on Youtube.

    It looks very nice with a lot of good lighting built into it.

    Does anyone here know how long has the new bridge opened at Dalkey?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 oscyk


    It's been open less than a week, the other footbridge up at Gormanston has been open for a few weeks now. It's fantastic seeing all this new infrastructure around the network.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,320 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Hah! I'd like to see a LOT more new infrastructure around the network.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,834 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    One of the premier sets is back to 6 coaches and in service. Only saw from a distance at Heuston so could be mistaking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,578 ✭✭✭lord lucan


    Set 40 is a 6pc set and been out the last few weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,927 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    If you look at Google maps, there definitely space for three tracks. and four tracks in many places.

    The problem is upgrading itself, and I suppose the "Where do you stop"/"how much is to much"?

    If you wanted to convert to three tracks the whole way, that would mean moving all the OHL's and moving the track and rebuilding every train station, and widening every bridge. The line would be out of action for months and that is just not feasible.

    The Japanese discovered many moons ago that it was cheaper to build new lines than to try an upgrade old ones. They can add more signals for sure but I think they've reached (or are very close to) the limit of what's possible. You have to bare in mind too that not all the trains have the same acceleration/braking capability.

    Allegedly, the Enterprise takes at least 1 mile to stop from 70mph. That's quite a distance for a passenger train and a lot more than a DART for example. This means that two amber signal would need to be shown more than 2 miles for an enterprise to safely slow down for a DART that's in front of if (assuming the Enterprise was at full speed)

    This just ends up being a pain in the hole to manage and its just cheaper and easier to build a new line at the edge of the catchment area of the existing line to take some of the passenger load.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,262 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    I suggest a new line from Dublin city centre, via the airport and Swords, to join the existing line north of Swords.

    Leave the coastal line as DART only.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,320 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    That would shadow Metrolink too closely.

    Connolly-Clongriffin all underground for long distance, surface line for commuter.

    Or blue skying it here - a new city centre terminus, and start the tunnel there?



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