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Titanic tourist submersible goes missing with search under way

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    #182
    Kate Loud Tuner
    Posts: 0 ✭ Kate Loud Tuner


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120742472#Comment_120742472

    AI should be able to pick out sea surface aberrations to be further scrutinised by human eyes.



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    #183
    kaymin
    Registered Users Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭kaymin



    Submersible experts wrote to OceanGate CEO expressing concern

    https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/marine-technology-society-committee-2018-letter-to-ocean-gate/eddb63615a7b3764/full.pdf



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    #184
    Cromuli
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭Cromuli


    250000 dolla to see metal.



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    #185
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users Posts: 35,890 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    https://youtu.be/-rQBVbmwSbI?t=421

    This guy knows what it's like to be trapped down there, and it's not easy to relive it.



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    #186
    Get Real
    Registered Users Posts: 896 ✭✭✭Get Real


    My best wishes to those on board even though survival seems highly unlikely.

    I find it odd in situations like this, the reactions and opinion after the fact.

    When was the last thread on Boards regarding the safety risks of tourist subs?

    Similarly, Google search results on "tourist sub risks" give up a load of results since this incident. There's an article in the filter from 2019 about a sub used to view wreckages that'll soon disappear.

    Compare it to private space travel. And all the articles of William Shatner returning from space. If that went wrong, all the comments of a similar fashion that would have arisen. How it was all blindingly obvious not to go. Or how people were idiots who should have foreseen the consequences. Or the safety issues raised.

    Bad news travels fast. If a Spacex flight blew up, you could be guaranteed all these quotes and concerns would be gathered from the internet and portrayed in a way that it was so predictable.

    How many submersible tours were there before this?

    I'm by no means excusing any fault or culpability. But everyone all over the shop, from journalists, to twitter, to boards are experts since Sunday.

    Maybe the people on board knew the risks, similar to those who travelled to space, or climbed Everest. Perhaps a lifelong ambition no matter what.

    When things go right, we don't hear of them. I never heard of the last trip that took place. I never heard of the group who climbed Everest on the weekend. When it goes wrong it's all over the place with experts everywhere.



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    #187
    Jeff2
    Registered Users Posts: 7,051 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    This story will take over the news over the next few days just because rich people were involved.

    It really is a none story but easy for news stations and papers to sell as something big while there will be many people people killed in conflict in Africa and Ukraine.



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    #188
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 39,189 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120742519#Comment_120742519

    I'd imagine that letter is in the CEO's mind right now



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    #189
    Strumms
    Registered Users Posts: 25,093 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Mad that these things can operate with no oversight from any regulatory agency and no deterrent from the same…

    go up in the air in a home built 4 seater single engine propeller job and you’ll have hoops to jump through from paperwork, maintenance oversight, pilot training etc…

    you can seemingly get a self constructed tube and dive to the depths…and charge people… shady.



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    #190
    miamee
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 12,109 Mod ✭✭✭✭miamee


    A possible glimmer of hope if these banging noises are at regular intervals

    RTE news : 'Underwater noises' detected in search for Titanic sub


    http://www.rte.ie/news/world/2023/0621/1390318-titanic-update/




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    #191
    cdeb
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,176 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120742456#Comment_120742456

    Meh - those 500 people also chose to be where they were and probably also had the risks hidden from them or chose to downplay them.



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    #192
    Panrich
    Registered Users Posts: 3,800 ✭✭✭Panrich


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120742698#Comment_120742698

    I saw that alright. Even if they find them, it’s almost certain that they won’t be able to do anything for them until well after the survival window has expired.

    If they are down there disabled on the bottom, they may be tangled in wreckage or without critical systems. The ROV from the cable ship might be able to spot them if they can hone in on the sounds but that’s it.

    It’s almost a worst case scenario that they survived the initial problems and are still alive underwater.



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    #193
    AndyBoBandy
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,110 Mod ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120742714#Comment_120742714

    Yeah, as much as it’s a glimmer of hope, finding them means very little if all they can do is look at them with an ROV…. And how utterly soul destroying would it be for the 5 on board the mini sub if they saw an ROV out their little window, but there was feck all it could actually do…

    if they are snagged in debris there maybe a 2% chance the ROV could free them, and if they are just lying on the bottom disabled there’s probably 0% chance of an ROV attaching a tether to pull them back to the surface (if such a capability was even available on a surface ship).



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    #194
    [Deleted User]
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    I haven’t read the whole thread but I’m hearing they may not be able to lift the submarine even if they find it. Does anyone know if that’s a capability issue or is it getting that capability to the area on time.

    I know the Americans managed to lift an entire Russian nuclear submarine off the ocean floor, although that took months of planning and they still lost a bit of it.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Azorian



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    #195
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,643 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120742708#Comment_120742708

    They also spent thousands of dollars to be there.



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    #196
    hamburgham
    Registered Users Posts: 1,031 ✭✭✭hamburgham


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120742585#Comment_120742585

    yes, just like the story of the boys trapped in the cave in Thailand. I don’t expect the outcome will be the same though sadly. God help them.



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    #197
    Mefistofelino
    Registered Users Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120742729#Comment_120742729

    The deepest recovery of a submersible with survivors was off the Cork coast, 50 years ago this year. In that case, they knew exactly where the trapped sub was, were able to fly in rescue submersible to Cork airport overnight, had suitable recovery ships within sailing distance and - most importantly- only had to go down 500m to recover the sub.

    Even if they find the Titan, trying to attach a cable and hoist them 3-4 km is going to be extremely difficult.



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    #198
    Gussie Scrotch
    Registered Users Posts: 837 ✭✭✭Gussie Scrotch


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120742698#Comment_120742698

    Its probably the sound of CEO getting the shytte kicked out of him by the other four.



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    #199
    Kate Loud Tuner
    Posts: 0 ✭ Kate Loud Tuner


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120742608#Comment_120742608

    Re tourist sightseeing flights, operation of these vary greatly in safely and risk, depending on local practices and oversight. Often tourists simply aren’t aware of the variation of risk, without enough information it can be difficult to make a personal risk assessment. As I said before, the risk of boarding a balloon flight , eg in Egypt, is markedly different to that in UAE where certification standards are much higher. There are obvious risks concerned with balloon flights, but by taking your dream balloon flight in the wrong location could many times multiply your risk.

    The people undertaking the deep dive to the Titanic would understand there is risk, but maybe not quite appreciate the level of risk. After all Canada is a first world country with a generally high level of health & safety built into its governance.



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    #200
    cdeb
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,176 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120742744#Comment_120742744

    They did, yep


    Actually a lot of similarities between the groups



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    #201
    Yellow_Fern
    Registered Users Posts: 2,595 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120742441#Comment_120742441

    I could not disagree more. Ship wrecks are one of most popular diving spots. Heck even graveyards are major tourist attractions. Are you against tourists going to Glasnevin?



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    #202
    Gusser09
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    The ROV will have capabilites to potentially lift the Sub i have heard. Lets see. A little hope is better than no hope.



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    #203
    Yellow_Fern
    Registered Users Posts: 2,595 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120742456#Comment_120742456

    They choose to be there too. They chose o break the law. That story was well covered by the press.



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    #204
    bigroad
    Registered Users Posts: 4,096 ✭✭✭bigroad


    All that risk and money ,to look at some rusty ship.



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    #205
    [Deleted User]
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    Supposedly they have heard 'banging noises'.

    An American sub went down in the 60s and the searchers thought they heard banging noises on the hull. They also thought the crew were turning pingers on and off manually in response to communications. When they found the wreck it had imploded and nobody could have survived. The noises were from other ships and subs in the search. Probably to some extent wishful thinking by whoever was listening for them.

    Same with the MH370 search. They thought they detected pings from the black box. Turned out to be some noise from a ship in the search or electronics in the sonar bouy.



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    #206
    Gusser09
    Registered Users Posts: 7,009 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120742927#Comment_120742927

    You cant just disregard them though during the search and rescue window. Everything must be followed up on. I have an awful feeling they are tsngled on the wreck or have drifted to a different area and are awating the air runing out. It would be very easy to tell the difference between tapping on a hull at that depth to other noises.



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    #207
    Kate Loud Tuner
    Posts: 0 ✭ Kate Loud Tuner


    https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/titanic-submersible-search-live-updates-us-coast-guard-confirms-underwater-noises-near-titanic-wreck-20230621-p5dicj.html

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    #208
    waterwelly
    Registered Users Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120742902#Comment_120742902

    I don't think anybody expects a positive outcome here.

    It's just the media playing up a trendy tragedy bringing new angles and speculative scenarios into it to keep the story going.



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    #209
    fergal.b
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,326 Mod ✭✭✭✭fergal.b


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120742920#Comment_120742920

    Not the same they didn't choose to be there they were forced to be by life's circumstances a bit like the Irish paying to go on the famine ship it was not a pleasure cruise.



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    #210
    Hooked
    Registered Users Posts: 2,787 ✭✭✭Hooked


    Stories like this really annoy me... Pure porn for the social media and news outlets. LIVE updates! Blah blah blah.

    So many more lives being lost, the world over, due to war, disease, famine, whatever - and here we are glued to a story about 5 VERY wealthy (and very stupid, it seems) people deciding to get into a metal coffin - that they (seriously) thought was going to be safe to travel 4 KILOMETERS under water in?

    Add to that the massive money and personnel being deployed to search for them?

    A fool and his money is easily parted...



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    #211
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120743033#Comment_120743033

    That's the way the world works, unfortunately.

    War, disease and famine are old news. Even Ukraine isn't getting a fraction of the media attention anymore.



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