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Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,965 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Every human has bias, no such thing as a neutral judge or jury in this particular case, as everyone in the country is emotional involved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,138 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I'm minded to think that Trump, with his broadcasting his arguments against the DOJ charging him with offences covering illegal possession of classified documents, may have reached an audience beyond his desire which will decide against him after consideration of his continued ranting. Like: what would he need to have possession of the documents for - a friendly fireside chat with friends midwinter when golfing was out, OR a psychological reason - I have possession of important documents, there-for I am important. As it's no longer a secret that he has the the documents, their use to other friends of his has been negated so I think that angle of risk he created to the US has receded.

    His speech pattern usually starts off with wide spaced words spoken slowly, then he changes mode and starts speaking fast, staccato-like, repeating his usual complaints that he is the victim of the DOJ and others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    When making a statement it helps to have the actual facts and state them, and you don't and haven't. A common trait of trump supporters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,138 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The judge makes no decision over a defendants guilt but does have an ability to interfere with the prosecution or defence case through bias. The judge, when appointed as a judge, was made aware she/he has to stand aside from hearing a case in the interests of justice when aware/made aware of a bias she/he has shown in favour of the defendant. Its done in the best interest of the defendant as well, having a hanging judge on the bench wouldn't be good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    The displays of stupidity and breaks from reality from trump supporters on social media since the indictments is really something to behold, even after all the examples they provided since before 2016.

    Some are just waiting on some of their ilk to commit some form of violence as was seen after the raid on MAL so they can try to blame Biden.



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  • Posts: 542 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Does anyone know what was said between him and Putin in the meeting where only he, Putin and Putin's translator?

    He's a rapist,a liar, a thief, a crook....and I'd not be surprised if he would betray his country for a pot of cash.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,105 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Says more about you than judges. Plenty of professionals are more than able to set aside bias and look at facts. Even when those facts go against their feelings.

    Just because Trump is unable to separate his emotions from decisions doesn't mean no-one can.

    If you really believe what you say then the entire legal system falls as clearly every judge is making decisions based in boas rather than the law.

    But all of this is irrelevant. Trump has admitted himself that he had the docs, he knew they were classified and he tried to lie about it. He tried to hide them for his own gain.

    What do you think should happen to a person that wilfully put the security of their country, and their allies, at risk for their own selfish reasons?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,965 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    You only have to look at the Supreme Court to see the Left and the Right . No escaping bias with humans, maybe AI will be the Judges in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,138 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Yes well, as long as Hal is not sitting on the bench looking down at Trump.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,138 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Allegedly not, apart from the three participants. As for the US participant [being able to] keep quiet on the content before retiring permanently, that's the 64 million dollar question. He does have family.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,904 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,138 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Part of the argument made by some people here against Trump facing trial in a US court is bias. I understand that US law has members of juries being challenged by both lawyers and the trial judge to prevent people of bias from sitting as jurypersons. What I'm unsure of is whether the same law applies to people chosen as prospective jurors to sit on a Grand Jury in a Federal District Court district and whether the lawyers include members of the defendants legal team. The jurors in both ordinary jury service and Grand Jury service are drawn from the very same pool of prospective jurors.

    I'd imagine that as a retired former US president is the person named in the case they are hearing to decide if there are sufficient grounds in what they have heard for prosecution by way of trial of the same former president that a great degree of care is taken in the grand jury selection by lawyers and judge to prevent bias. Do defence team lawyers have the right to challenge prospective Grand Jury members?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,819 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Why the query about the Grand Jury?

    The indictment was on the back of a finding by a Grand Jury which has now completed its work. Doesn't look like he had any bias in his favour there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,916 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    If I'm reading this correctly, Trumps lawyers are not permitted to represent him in court because they haven't applied to practice in Florida?





  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,552 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    That's a known fact; I think one of the supporting once is registered for Florida courts but from what I read they were shopping around to find a lawyer to represent him (which tends to be difficult between the fact he's known not to pay his bills and well, being Trump...).

    From CNN:

    While the search for more attorneys to join Donald Trump’s legal team continues in Florida, his attorney Todd Blanche, a white-collar criminal defense lawyer, is expected to appear with the former president in court Tuesday, a Trump adviser tells CNN.

    Trump’s team spoke with a number of lawyers over the weekend, but it's unclear as of now who the former president will formally hire to represent him in Florida, sources close to the process tell CNN.

    Trump’s team has been reaching out to Florida-based attorneys and firms to gauge their interest in joining them, sources tell CNN. Some Florida lawyers also are reaching out to the Trump team to express interest. 

    Miami-based attorney Chris Kise, the former Florida solicitor general who was previously sidelined in the dispute arising from a third-party special master review of evidence seized from Mar-a-Lago, is part of this reach-out effort. It’s unclear if Kise will appear with Trump in court Tuesday as well.

    Trump needs a lawyer who is admitted to practice law in the southern district of Florida for the arraignment. Lindsey Halligan, another member of his legal team, is licensed in Florida and has worked alongside out-of-state lawyers on other legal matters for Trump on this case. 

    Trump has had difficulties retaining seasoned attorneys as he faces an increasingly complicated web of legal troubles, and some firms are reluctant to take on Trump as a client because of concerns about reputational impacts and alienating other clients.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    I'd be entirely sceptical that Trump declassified them or even attempted to do so. The declassification system is a bureaucratic system of logging, stamping and classifying. Does anybody imagine that Trump would have the patience to declassify even only a tiny portion of the huge amount of documents removed from Mar-a-Lardo? No, that indolent buffoon wouldn't even approach anything that looked like work, hence his fantasy of waving has hands over all those boxes and declaring them ''declassified''.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    A ''far left'' judge in the American judicial establishment? Don't make me laugh!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,138 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    BornTobyWilde had several posts up about bias against Trump in respect to the DOJ bringing charges against a former president as being politically motivated and being the first time a former president is to be tried before a jury in federal court.

    I wanted to find out if the GJ members were chosen and made liable to challenge the same way an ordinary jury is, to cast aside any complaints of a biased jury being emplaced in deciding there was sufficient in the illegal possession of classified documents issue for the DOJ to prefer actual charges against Trump.

    What is happening is setting a precedent in US criminal law. I don't know if it will end up before the USSC yet with Trump attempting to railroad that fine body into doing him a favour.



  • Posts: 542 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Indeed..Kavanaugh and Long Dong Thomas have sexual assault claims against them; Kavanaugh is a practiced liar re. his testimony about not overturning settles law when questioned about Roe v Wade in his confirmation hearings and the womb that keeps giving, Handmaiden Barrett.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,138 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    From what's been printed, it seems Don expects to be going home after the end of todays proceedings as it may be simply a remand on own recognizance, especially if Eileen cannon is the judge on the bench. He has called for his supporters to show up at the courthouse in Florida. That may be the fly in the ointment for him, however much he wants an audience for when he walks into and out of the courthouse today besides those at his rallies in Miami.

    Kari Lake, one of his supporters and the unsuccessful Republican gubernatorial candidate in Arizona pointedly said over the weekend that if prosecutors “want to get to president Trump,” they’re ”going to have to go through me, and 75 million Americans just like me. And most of us are card-carrying members of the NRA”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,977 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Not a hope he doesn't get OR or bail. He isn't a flight risk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    You can bet your house on the fact that he's considered it



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,456 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    He has his own plane. He could leave anytime he wanted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Imagine the **** that would hit the fan if all the Trumps defected to Russia? 😂😂😂



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Trump leaving the country would put a pin in his money spinning, polemical gatherings where he gets to shout at people for 60 minutes. I doubt someone that obviously insecure would give up his adoring audience that willingly.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,552 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    I'd guess Putin would hand him back; no benefits for Russia to have Trump around in Russia at the end of the day; his benefit is sowing discord in USA after all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




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