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Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,737 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    So it was all a lazy lawyers fault?

    that seems like nonsense spouted in a bid to make this seem like less of an issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,965 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Timeline is key, when did he do that. Maybe it's a case of hiding them, rather than facing the wrath for having more after it was declared they were all handed over. Bottom line I'd never believe there was some master plan to take out the US by Trump by using info in documents he didn't know he had , all far fetched that he was in cahoots with China of Russian on where and how to hit the US, you can't charge someone with espionage, without knowing the meaning of the word .



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,552 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    You do know it's outlined in his indictment, right?

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    But yea, he was not aware of them being classified except he's caught on tape confirming it that they were classified (in July 2021 so well after he's left as president), with witnesses there and in the text messages he sent and recieved to move said documents does not of course in any way show that he was aware of the documents being classified...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,161 ✭✭✭relax carry on


    And the 2 billion the Saudis gave Kushner just for the craic? Everything is just a coincidence. Poor Donald is such an idiot, he has no idea what's going on with all the classified material he just happened to take for no reason whatsoever. You've hot to feel sorry for poor Donald. Why do these things keep happening to such a poor innocent man.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Oh I don't think Trump wants to take out the US. He has property there. He wanted them either to feel important or to use them to make money.


    I doubt he knew every line on every document but he knew he shouldn't have them and therefore wanted them hidden.


    Honestly what would it take at this point for you to believe that Trump intentionally committed a criminal act. He is on tape stating he knew it was wrong.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,965 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Showing'' and then it says '' don't get too close'' So he held a document in his hand basically. Clear to me in those two incidents no one saw anything, other than knowing the existence of classified documents, I mean we all know they exist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,407 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    Stupidity or ignorance are not excuses for committing crimes, especially for national security crimes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,916 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    If this exchange is correct (and there's no reason to believe its not) then this alone is proof that not only did Trump know he had secret documents, he also knew he shouldn't have them, he knew he shouldn't show them to anyone and he openly admits that they hadn't been declassified,.


    This alone should be enough to convince.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,292 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Has anyone a comment on the appointment of Eileen Cannon on the case?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,521 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's clearly deliberate. Donald Trump is, like his British counterpart, a man who thought that consequences were just for other people. He knew full well what he was doing with those documents. The idea that one accidentally takes classified information from the most powerful country in history is laughably, pathetic and transparent.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,268 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    She'll sit on the bench with her sister Aileen.



  • Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    She is expected to either to recuse herself or to be removed by the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals following a motion to do so being filed by the DOJ.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,965 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Like they stopped her special master to look at seized documents, as to add some independency . DOJ is out of control. Now they want the judge out, so basically they're calling her corrupt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,965 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    She's a judge, independent, but DOJ want someone corrupt to do their bidding



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Who's she appointed by. In the previous raid subpoena, she was overruled in her trump favourable decisions, twice. She's not the blind hand of justice



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,552 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    Because the special master was, and I qoute the 11th circuit court here that made the judgement, a court that has 6 judges appointed by Trump as a side note, "Should never have been appointed in the first place". She made an incorrect ruling and the appeals court called it out and stopped the incorrect ruling from moving ahead. How exactly is that a DOJ problem when it's a bloody court ruling with judges Trump appointed pointing out it was a wrong ruling by a lower court judge (and who as a side note made up rights for Trump with no legal basis which is exactly what Republicans like to complain that the courts are doing)?



  • Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Her rulings were not based on the law, that's why they were reversed by the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,904 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    You’re delusional. Trump himself admitted he had classified documents he couldn’t show people. He’s an idiot and a criminal, that’s possible.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,292 ✭✭✭amandstu


    How likely is it that she will not recuse herself or be removed?


    Seems like a joker in the pack



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  • Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm just going on what I heard lawyers say on youtube clips, they were confident that she would.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,138 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I'm assuming that the case is being heard in Florida because the scene of the crime is at Mar-A-Lago. As it's Gov DeSantis [a rival candidate for the presidency] state, I won't be surprised if the choosing of a judge is the least of the prosecution problems, as it's within the Trump playbook to play dirty and make accusations against other persons purely for his own benefit. Getting a jury of enough persons free from stain by Trumps legal paintbrush to hear the case might be difficult.

    According to media reports, Trump has gone to Georgia and New Jersey. Georgia is for the reported purpose of visiting his fanbase there, and just coincidentally the state where he tried to persuade the State Sec to illegally increase the numbers of votes - aka fixing the vote result - Tump got in his re-election bid as Biden had got more there from the electorate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,138 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The first thing to note about Trump's saying that Hilary should be in jail is that he began saying that before he was elected, with his campaign calls for her to be locked up. He didn't succeed in going after her when he was elected because he was legally blocked from doing so, not because he knew it was not the thing to do.

    The content of the taped conversation between him and at least one member of his staff about the classified documents is clear on when the conversation took place. It took place after he left office and he made it clear that he knew he had not declassified the documents in his possession. That is a de facto admission that he knew he had classified documents in his possession with no legal authority. That's the case being brought against him. He even has the neck to continue telling that lie still.

    The GOP elected persons had their chance to call a halt to his rampage through the liberties of the the US people by voting to impeach him twice when they had the chance and they chose not to do so on party lines. If they had impeached him, he would have been barred from running for the office a second time, and now this third time, freeing them and the US public from the millstone around their necks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,138 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    A basic requirement for a judgement from the bench is no bias or leaning toward the defendant. Justice must not only be done, but must be seen to be done. If a judge with a beam in the eye chooses to make rulings in favour of a defendant and declines a recusal offer, the judge is going down the path toward impeachment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,965 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    But it will be okay to appoint a far left judge, that's some logic, and I guess the jurors too will have to be radially left, or the DOJ will protest that too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,552 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    Yea, how dare the Department of JUSTICE object to a judge not following the law (and be proven right by a higher court); shame on them... You know what BTW, you sound exactly like the guy in the "Leave Britney Alone" clip except you can replace it with Trump. The fact it was overruled as not legal (and clearly outlined as such in the rejection by two Trump appointed judges; ergo no Democratic bias there) does not matter because it's against Trump and that means it has to be wrong in your world view.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,737 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Toby has made 2 arguments either trump was trying to destroy America or it was just a lazy lawyer and if the trump appointed judge is recused they will be replaced with a far left one. Apparently they see no middle ground in either case and it has to be one thing or another and in both cases come down on the side of trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,138 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The basic requirement applies to all judges. As for appointing of federal judges of all colours of opinion, that's OK. The president nominates and the senate decides on appointment of new judges to sit in existing vacant seats at federal circuit and district level. I assume on appointment, the judge will be located only at that judicial area.

    It's usual to believe a judge will use legal and common sense when reaching judgements and, when it's necessary, for the judge to step aside in the interests of justice to allow another federal judge appointed to that particular area to hear the case.

    AFAIK [and I may be wrong here] the USSC decided NOT TO hear a case stated by a certain defence team against DOJ appeals over the particular judges decisions in respect of the case of a certain defence team's client as sending a subtle signal that the teams application was not of interest to the USSC. The point was accented when the master the judge appointed made legal argument against some of the judges court decisions interfering with his ability to do his job.

    In any case, if the case/s go to trial, it will be juries of his peers that Trump will answer to in court [ if his lawyers allow him to open his mouth to speak except for short one-syllable replies]. We all know he has a thin skin where it comes to people standing in judgement of him.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭uptherebels




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