Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

If Biden committed a crime he should absolutely not be charged, this is a slippery slope US politics is taking. When Trump became president he did it going after Hilary, saying she should be in Jail, but he didn't go after her when he won, it's simply not the thing to do. Trump was president, the so called most powerful man in the world, I think him, and Biden, and Obama, and Clinton all have the power to declassify what they like when they like, it's the privilege of being President, no one should be going after an ex president, elected democratically by the people, this is not Russia.

Do you think (after he has declassified them with his mind) he should be allowed to show these top secret documents to anyone he wants?

What i think is what ever documents Biden had thrown around his many homes were there as'' moving out baggage'' , I don't think Biden was looking to steal and sell info to anyone.

The National Archives are sending letters to all living former presidents and vice presidents, asking them to go through their records to ensure there are no classified materials, not because they're suspected criminals, but because movers move boxes, and it happens... I just don't see the issue, no president left or right should be accused of treason, when in fact it's just a case of mistakenly packing mountains of paper work, that just so happen to have something in there that should not be in there.

They key issue that you seem to be missing in all this false equivalence is that trump told the national archives that he'd surrendered all the documents, and then moved the remaining documents when the search happened. Do you understand the difference?

Yeah its not taking the documents which is what the problem for him its how he conducted himself afterwards thus the issue.

Its why noted lifelong democrat erm Mike Pence has nothing to worry about because he did not act an idiot afterwards he was contacted.

Rgearding the political side of this long term, it probably does no harm in the primary but death by a thousand cuts when it comes to the general especially as their is more to come . The millions who abandoned Trump to vote Biden mainly due to fatigue this won't entice them back , yeah it fires up the base, so what?

But Trump is recorded as showing these documents to random people, and admitting on tape that they are classified and that he knew he shouldn't be doing it.

How is this the same as forgetting an envelope in among a box of other paperwork?

I know you won't answer, but your argument is ridiculous.

"This shouldn't be hard for people to understand"

You are correct in relation to normal functioning people, but there is a trove of evidence that trump supporters, and the I'm not a trump supporter but folks, do not fall into this category.

They are basically waiting for some form of violence to occur from todays news so that they can blame Biden for it, the same way they did when the volience occurred after the documents were retrieved from MAL.

i presume this ends up in the supreme court?

in that, it hasn't yet been established how a president declassifies things.

What you think is irrelevant. The only slippery slope is putting people above the law.

a president has never been indicted before for this so this has never been tested before.

the president has the right to declassify documents, whatever they see fit while president.

the question of law will come down to....can he do it on a whim?

the traditions of what a president usually does wont matter.

will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Putting people above the law is very close to having a king or despot ,isn't it?

Seems to be fine with his supporters.Pence one mouthed "no one is above the law" but then wished that this wouldn't go to trial.

Others suggest he should be charged with treason but I remember that was discussed earlier in Trump's "career" and not very conclusively then.

I completely disagree with you. What you're saying there is that once someone is elected president, they should be immune from criminal prosecution. Nobody should enjoy that sort of privilege. The office of president is not like a monarchy in the 1700s.

What would be to stop this person from committing a murder or something then? Or where do you draw the line into which crimes should be charged and which shouldn't? It's a ridiculous argument.

Trump was showing US defence secrets to people without security clearance, which jeopardises the security of both the US and other countries. Not charging him for that would be ludicrous.